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Ban manhunt??

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  1. bumble

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    great idea lets ban manhunt,while we're at it lets ban films......lets find a scape goat and forget about real social problems.

    Let's forget that daily newspapers depict graphic scenes of war & violence or that every national news station is filled with rape/murder/kidnapping every night.

    no? oh it must be those games then.

    Well done,well done god bless this perfect country :mad:
     
  2. kelvin

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    For those that are wondering... story here ;)

    K.
     
  3. dennis

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    the word scapegoat springs to mind. :mad:
     
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    i agree, ban manhunt, no one should have to play such a poor excuse for a computer game
     
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    I think banning manhunt would be the best advert the publishers could hope for, I mean the game's had some pretty bad press since release a few months ago(haven't played it myself) but the game will be sure to be under huge demand if most of the stores ban the game. The more stores that stop selling it the bigger the demand will be on the ones that do. Hmmm, I wonder if theres been an improvement to the sales of manhunt today?
    Personally I don't think games can be blamed for such violance in the streets, I mean I love playing games such as GTA but I've never felt like going out and kicking some old woman across the road. The fact is an aggressive person will more than likely own alot of aggressive games/movies/music, but are they to blame? I think they'd still behave the same way without those influences, law has just become too soft and kids really do start to think they can get away with anything.
     
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    wat a load of crap, ban wolfenstein cos it made me into a bnp supporting race hating violent skinhead nazi who sees anyone who isnt white as a lower class for someone to kill someone else there has got to be somthing miss firing in his/hers head theres no proof that video games was to blame i played gta to death and ive never wanted to car jack someone and then run them over its utter tosh
     
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    What really aggrivates me about the whole media furore over this, is the complete and utter ignorance of the fact that the game is rated 18 and clearly the kid was under that age. And geez, don't parents take any notice of what their kids are up to these days? I despair, I really do.

    BTW, I once read a book where the lead character was encouraged to kill his own son to see what his deity would think to it all. We'd better ban that in case someone goes and copies it. The title you ask? The Bible.
     
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    Well said, totally agree.
     
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    Amen well said pure genius :)
     
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    It's absolutely pathetic!! When will society wake up and realise that people have personal responsibilities!!

    What happens when you get someone who says "I saw my mum cutting meat with a knife and this inspired me to chop my mate up!" Ban kitchen knives!?? or "I saw Michael Schumacher driving at 200 mph and that inspired me to do it!" - Ban motor racing!

    Don't they understand that someone who murders someone else is not all there?? They are not forced to do it by a Song, Film or Video game. You can't ban everything, just because there's a remote possibility that some deranged person's mind is somehow influenced by it. The problem is with the person, not the media form. If they have such a slim grasp of reality that they can't differentiate between a fantasy world and the real one then anything (be it a book, magazine, newspaper, video game, film, tv program, song, dream, poster, comic book etc) could be the catalyst.

    It annoyed me when some fool suggested that the Nazi flags in day of defeat had to be removed as it "glorified the Nazi's!". It's a historical game based on WW2 where the Allies fought the Nazi Axis forces! You can't just pretend that this didn't happen and censor stuff in this way.

    The most annoying thing is that Manhunt is only an average game and, like has been mentioned already, banning the game will make a martyr of it and then people will do what ever they can to get hold of it (be it from europe or the US). Manhunt doesn't deserve such a prominent place in gaming history and I hope it doesn't get one!
     
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    what gets me is that the tabloids etc are so quick to blame videogames yet when it comes to saying "look how fat so an so is" or "cellulite city" etc and a few pages later a kid has been bullied for being fat and committed suicide.the kid is obviously on the edge as it is before even playing the game imho.just as one kid kills someone because of a game doesnt mean that after watching rocky your gonna become a world champ boxer.
     
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    My village has been overrun by zombies, due to achemical spillage at a local cosmetics firm!

    I blame Resident Evil!
     
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    LOL Alf :rotfl:

    One of the big problems is the media potrayal of this story. Where is the balance?

    It seems that losing a child qualifies a bereaved parent to be an expert on any subject. The parents have my sympathy, but just because their child was murdered does not make them an expert on the causes of such crimes. Sadly in our society it seems that anyone touched by this sort of loss becomes an 'untouchable' who can say what they like in the full knowledge that anyone who speaks out against them will be vilified in the media. :thumbsdow
     
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    yeah, ban the game so a few unbalances individuals won't be pushed over the edge, its like saying we should sanitize the world so a mad man will feel sane
     
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    I think the reason they chose to remove them was to make the game globally saleable. Nazi imagery is illegal in Germany, and Day of Defeat does quite well there, so it was a marketing decision, pure and simple. Otherwise, they'd have to make a region-specific version, which would be a pretty big pain.

    But you can always use custom images to replace the in-game ones.

    Tetlee had it right about this being good news for the game, as it will most likely increase sales, especially if it's banned in certain stores. In fact, designers of violent games should send free copies of their games to all mentally disturbed kids in the world, just in case one of them does something violent. Oh, and heavy metal albums too. That's proactive marketing, baby. :p
     
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    To be honest, if it is banned that will make me more likely to buy it.

    I think it's important to stop this sort of censorship*. I'm an adult, and don't need anyone to tell me what I can and cannot watch / play / do. IMHO buying the game is the best way to punish the censors and reward those who are willing to do stuff at the margins of acceptability.

    * i.e. the censorship based on uninformed knee jerk reactions, pandering to fleet street, etc.
     
  17. Mr.D

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    Its easier to blame a video game than actually get to the root of the reasons that led to the murder.

    It also offers the chance to give the general public a nice little polemic morality tale for them to beat their chests over. Certain "organs" of the press are trying to drum up interest in this angle because there is not a great deal else going on that appeals to your average sun reader.

    Joe public doesn't like "video games" , they make his kids into couch potato zombies and by association the fact that so many children like playing them means they must be inherently unsavoury.

    In the past these complaints have been levelled at literature , paintings , photography , plays , film , TV , video tape , music. there was probably some self righteous dullard back in the stone age going about censoring cave paintings.

    There will be a new story in a couple of days and all this "furore" will blow over.

    Dixons are just fanning the flames because their main source of custom is people who read the daily mail ( or at least look at the pictures). There might even be some backstage agreements judging by the amount of Dixons group advertising you find in your average tabloid.

    I've played ManHunt. Stylistically its very well done but I found it a bit boring and whilst I appreciated its shlock exploitation sensibilites it wasn't an experience I felt like spending more than a couple of hours in. Its premise is so outlandish that anyone who is unable to seperate the ingame experience from reality already represents a danger to the public.
     
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    Well written Mr D.

    Before I start I don't have kids, but some friends and collegues that do seem to see video games and TV as a sort of child minder, i.e. the stick the kid in front of a TV to get some peace and quiet (seems reasonable to me). When something like this happens I wonder how much of it is a guilt reaction ?

    I did some studies a couple of years ago about the effects of TV and studies that were done seemed split about the effects. One study on a community (island of St Helena rings a bell but not 100% sure) which was recently introduced actually found that TV had a calming effect on children and the were less bullying incidents after the introduction of TV.

    Guess it's all about balance !

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    I think one problem with videogames is that people still think they are "for kids". In the US, games ratings are nearly impossible to enforce, because if a game store refuses to sell an 18-rated game to a kid, one of his parents generally comes in a few hours later and tells them off for it.

    They seem to class all games as for kids, hence they should all be acceptable for kids. The same parents probably have no problem with their kids watching violent or pornographic anime, because it's "just a cartoon".
     
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    I cannae be bothered to rant about it on this forum (I've done it elsewhere already), so I thought I'd post this link to a Daily Mail Headline Generator - it's uncannily accurate:

    Daily Mail-o-matic

    Too many favourites to pick - go on, have a go ;)
     
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    I like to call this 'Arlington Road' syndrome. If you have seen the film you will know what I mean in that something or someone is made accountable, you know, a means to an end.

    Historically, when ever there is a tragedy, somebody will always look to blame a source other than the fact that the killer or killers are in fact simply deranged.

    Examples here would be Micheal Ryan @ Hungerford, The Dumblaine massacre and the columbine school massacre.

    Post each event the news papers disect the social capability of each killer and use bombastic headlines such as 'he played video games' 'he was a black sabbath fan' and so on.

    Its a joke, but then its a reflection on modern society isnt it.

    Lets be honest, you cant even go to the cinema and expect people to respect that anymore.

    Its somewhat ironic that back in the 1960's, when Charlie Manson wrote about social disorder and the breakdown of society he said we would blame media such as music and television and now evidently videogames. People laughed at his opinions - though I do admit he went about enforcing them incorrectly.

    I play Pro Evolution soccer to death. I am 33 1/3 and I am never going to be a pro soccer player. Damn. Who can I blame?

    Cap :)
     
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    blame yourself if you really played it to death you would be playing for REAL MADRID just like im gonna do after a few more hours :clown: :rotfl:
     
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    yeah, i think it's all so pathetic, "lets blame a Video game or lets blame a violent film stuff! " How about we blame the guy who actually murdered someone!!

    I did a study on this back at school about what if any influence Films/games/Music have on people etc. I remember reading a particular quote from Oliver Stone (i think) when he was defending Natural Born Killers, and i think it's a real good one......

    "Films do not create murderers, they just make murderers more creative."

    Cheers Rob :)
     
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    i cant say that im suprised about the manhunt decision. Working for blockies i get people renting GTA: Vice City all the time for their 5 year old little darlings.

    at the end of the day the 14 year old was playing an 18 game. If it was meant for him to play it would have been a 12 :rolleyes:

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    Have to agree with ya His mum is on tv giving it loads of bad press but its the knock on effect to other games.
    Buy the way where was she when he was playing this in a cupboard locked up she knew the score just thought this was an option to keep him quite i suppose ot of her hair ETC, everything in the quote is my feelings too nice one wiggins
    Also the other quotes about tv on here what we gonna do stop films with violent content were will this stop ******* dosey bit*h

    Oh and this is better than any advertising campain than Rock star could think of and its free
     
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    I know a couple of staff who work in a game store and apparently Manhunt has sold more copies today than any other day since release. I'll put money its back in the chart next week.

    Why do Dixons/PC World not realise that by them banning it, sales will increase and they have therefore contributed to more people owning a copy? Pure stupidity. Bet the press have a go again on Dooms release in a fortnight, wasn't that the game that caused Columbine? ;)
     
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    I tell you what its not only sales that are increasing the ebayers are out in force.
    Buy-it-nows for £50 and many are selling for £30 and rising
    Wish i still had a copy of the game- but couldn't sell it for love nor money couple of months ago
     
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    The sad truth of the situation is that the media likes to jump on a bandwagon and get everyone all frenzied about issues which they have little or no knowledge about.
    Even sadder is the fact that the dripfeed of info the media does give is often biased and/or incorrect. I'm certain they know all the facts involved but carefully gloss over the bits that dilute the contentious part of the issue.
    I just wish they'd get more animated about really important issues like lying politicians.
    It just goes to show how quickly they got bored with the whole Sudan thing.
    With any luck someone will discover a major food retailer has been poisining us for years (or someother rubbish) and they can forget all about manhunt.
     
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    There has been violence in between human beings for thousannds of years. wars have been fought and people murdered for lots of reasons. Religion, disputes overland and property. Man killing Man for love and passion.
    We are now supossed to live in a civilized world ,were laws , rules and regulations are supposed to protect those who can not protect them selves.To blame a video game as the sole reason for a murder is, in my opinion, quite wrong.Are we to ban religion because of the acts of violence carryied out in the name of god?.Shall we ban football because of the acts of holliganism that can happen when the game is played?
    This boy who commited this offense surely must have been unstable to begin with. The fact that he played this game is purly coinsidentaly. Any violent images could have set him on this path. We have censors in this country who act on our behalf. While I dont always agree with there decisions it is down to them, at the moment, to regulate what we play and view on our screens at home. this game was given an 18 certificate by the B.B.F.C It was not ment to be supplied to anyone below that age. If he got hold of it from a shop then the next point of protection should have been from his parents. Now I know in the real world this is not allways the case. Kids watch films they are not supposed to all the time. They play games they are not supposed to all the time. Do we have masses of children out on the streets killing one another? NO because most of them are well adjusted people who can tell right from wrong and what is real from fantasy. I guess the point I am trying to make is if people are going to go out and kill some one because they have seen a violent image on the screen, it is not just games that would have to be banned is it? Images on the nine oclock news about horrors in other countries would also have to go. Action films would have to go. certain sports such as boxing and martial arts could no longer be seen for fear of "setting some one of".
    Any way, end of rant.
     
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    Ban the Daily Mail. Their headlines sound violent enough as it is:

    BAN THESE EVIL GAMES

    Seriously though, I thought I had read in the press that the murderer was 17 and was setting out to rob the 14 year old victim who he knew in order to pay for drugs. Presumably the 14 year old did not want to be robbed and this led to the murder. Now how any of this can be linked to the Manhunt game is questionable. As I understand it the parents of the 14 year old are saying that the style of the murder mimics the game, so the only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that if the game never existed the murder would probably still have occured. The murderer would simply have taken his ideas about how to kill from another source of which there are many in films and TV.
     

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