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Discussion in 'Home Cinema Speakers' started by G1OSE, Jan 22, 2003.

  1. G1OSE

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    ok i have a massive decision to make
    although i dont currently have an av receiver i will be geting one with 6.1 or 7.1 and around 100 watts a channel
    what do you lot think of the BandW 604's for front 602's for rear and some sort of center speaker from them for mainly music listning with occasional surround use or should i stick with the bandw 604 for front and get some other cheaper speakers for the rears because of only occasional use like wharfedale diamond cinema 5 speakers 250 what you lot recon?
    BTW medium sized room
    cheers
     
  2. G1OSE

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    also what you recon on the new BandW dm309-303 etc set in this months what hifi page 20 something
    2 floors 2 rears 1 centre and a active sub
    anygood for the 900 pound mark?
     
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    Have you thought about smaller fronts and adding a sub?
    Use B&W 601 or 602 all around and add a desent sub.

    BTW, I have 604s2 as fronts, but thats because i did'nt know what I now know about acoustics.
     
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    :blush:
    Ok, I see you have thought about it.
    Must write faster, must write faster.
     
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    You absolutely positively need a subwoofer. Trust me. :) If you're strapped for cash then why not downgrade the 602s at the back to 601s or even 600s? Uncle Eric will sell you a Veldoyne CHT-10 subwoofer for £325.
     
  6. G1OSE

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    ok then what about the 603's at the front with something like the AE ageo 2 or 5 speakers and sub well sats and sub for the rest or will this seen too much difference
    its just i really like the band w 604's fro the music side of theings and really want to spend less on the rest if this is a good idea
    cheers
     
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    I recommend 601's all round and a sub.

    I may be wrong but if you get a sub you will more than likely be x-overing the bass from the speakers making anything bigger than the 601 a bit of a waste. Unless the 602/3 have other benefits over the 601 other than bass extension.
     
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    I'd go with the 6x 601's and a good sub, it'll set you back £750+sub. Which is very good value and you'll get a very good sound stage.
     
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    6x 601 would be no good if you want to sit it ontop of a CRT telly though cause the 601 is definately NOT shielded.
     
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    Best look at 6x 601's and an LCR60 then. That way you get 7.1 channels of audio (5/6.1 through 7.1 channels anyhoo).
     
  11. G1OSE

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    does nobody like the AE's for size and price for the rears and sub with nice big speakers for the fronts i have been told for full range music and surround to get some floorstanders for the front like the 604's or 603's cos the smaller ones wont cope as well at higher volume for fronts playing music?
    just a thought if you lot recon against it then ill go with that
     
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    If you set a apir of 601's up well with a Velodyne CHT10 you should get a performance superior to that of the 603's. Much deeper controlled bass being the biggest benefit of the sub sat in this situation.

    It's always recommended to keep with similar speakers for all channels, the ideal being having them all the same, which you have an opportunity to do.

    Try to get a demo of the speakeras you are interested in. If you go for B&W fronts stick with them for the rest also, and the same one brand rule applies if you go for the AE Aegis Evo's. This will result in the best sound stage.
     
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    ok then thanks for the help ill try and get a demo
    also how much of a difference does the speaker cable make to the sound how much and what should i got for for the cable also does an amp like the denon 1803 or the sony 333 have biwire capabilities for the B&W sets?
     
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    Any amplifier is capable of allowing a speaker to be bi-wired, you simply common up the 2 + and 2 - cables at the amp end.

    Personnally I can hear the difference between a good cable and a poor one. Some people can't. It'd be worth looking at either QED Qudos/Original single/bi-wire £2.50/5.00/m or Chord Co. Carnival 2/4 at the same price. Personnally I choose the Chord cable.

    Who's your local dealer?

    ED: What Uni are you at? Studying what?:)
     
  15. G1OSE

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    im at the university of Greenwich studying Internet Technologies and networking and you?
    just have a interest in hifi and home cinema
    when you say common the 2 wires do you mean at the amp just plug then into the same place because i thought by biwiring the speakers you sent each speaker a different signal ie highs to the tweeter and lows to the bass drivers or did i just make that up?
     
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    I'm studying Electronic engineering at the moment, hopefully last the year!

    I think you are talking about bi-amping, of the active kind. Bi-wiring simply involves different cables from the same amp to the high and low inputs on the speaker.

    Bi-amping has seperate amps for each high and low driver, and active bi-amping involves filtering the audio before the amp stage and then wiring the amps direct to each driver.
     
  17. G1OSE

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    oh ok then i guess i got confused
    hows electronic engineering then is it hard
    have you got any opinions onm the new B&W speakers 309's 303's etc or not?
     
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    Electronic engineering is pretty hard, the maths side especially.

    I've not heard the DM309 yet, but the DM303 is a good speaker.
     
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    worth getting as a set do you recon cos it means a 5.1 package 5 speakers and a sub for around the £900 mark then get some extras for other channels if the 303 is good they should all be i recon
    i was going to do electronics at uni but maths wasnt my best thing sio i decided to avoid it good luck though!
    also can you run 5.1 if the amp is a 6.1 or 7.1 or is it not possible?
     
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    I'd choose 2 pairs DM303, LCR300 and a CHT-10, cost you approx £500 + £325 for the sub I think.

    Then you could easily add either another pair of 303's or LCR300's when you want to go 7.1. 303 would obviously go at the rear surround channel, if you added 2 more LCR300's then I'd be tempted have the 3x LCR 300's as the front speakers. Not that it matters now.

    Yes you can run 5.1 on a 6/7.1 amp. You could run just as 2.0 if you wanted.:D

    Good luck with it all.
     
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    cheers for all the help mate it is much appreciated
    ill sort something out now!!!!!
     
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    Agreed!!! I just had a 3-hour AC circuit theory exam and it sucked big hairy goat balls. Damn phasor geometry...:(

    Don't do EE if you aren't mathematically inclined. I am not at all and am really struggling through the first 2 years of theory. After 5 ghastly years there's a pucker Computer Systems masters to be had, so hopefully it'll be worth it. :)

    MuFu.
     
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    If I have to do a resit for maths this year, or retake the maths next year I think I will have to drop out. I've done most of the maths twice before and failed it then. Gotta start looking at possible employment options for next year.

    It's a 4 year course and I'd like to do it all, but if I can't do the maths then there's not much else I can really do about it.

    AV installing again maybe then next year.
     
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    Well if it makes you feel any better, I got to the end of last year (my 1st) ready to sit a couple of retakes along with all my friends (as is traditional for freshers!) and I couldn't bloody retake one of them because it is 100% coursework so I am doing the whole damn year again!!!! :( :( :(

    Nevermind - got into AV this year which has been a definite plus. :D

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