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Discussion in 'Home Cinema Speakers' started by johnson, Jul 29, 2005.

  1. johnson

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    Hi
    Can anyone PM me the name of any dealers giving good discounts on the B&W 800 series speakers?
    Regards
     
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    I think you would be extremly lucky to find a dealer willing to give discount on B&W 800 series speakers, they are very select on who sells them.
     
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    Yeah, Not very likely unless they have old stock to get rid of. There is only a small selction of dealers around the country who have no incentive to discount the products as they sell perfectly well at full price. As a hi-fi dealer myself if I were a stockist of B&W 800 series (which I'm not) I would not remotely consider discounting B&W 800 series unless it was maybe part of a larger system or I had old demo stock to get shifted.
     
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    hi,
    the people in new malden are always happy to talk about money.
    dont know how much discount you'll get out of them.
    cant seem to remember their name all of a sudden.
    there a large dealer of many high end brands and i've does some good business with them over the last few years

    good luck
     
  5. Timmy C

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    Unilet is the name I think.
     
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    Many thanks to all the replies.
    I have just ordered and am happy with the 20% discount I received.
    Regards
     
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    Well done Simon and 20% Discount is not bad at all, if i go to upgrade my existing 805S's then i maybe intouch ;)
     
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    Thanks, I'm happy with that.
    I pretty much, don't pay retail for anything these days, I don't think you need to.

    How do you find your speakers?
    Are you happy with them?
    Did you compare them to the old Nautilus series?
    How long does it take to run in.
    Mine are not the exact same model, but I think there are alot of similarities in the 800 family.
    Regards
     
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    Hi Simon,

    I pretty much paid full price for mine but even still they are definitly worth it great speakers, ref to run in time for my 805s it took quite a while atleast a good month or 2 with average use.

    Enjoy youre's :thumbsup:

    Regards
    John
     
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    I am an 800 series dealer and this is exactly how we work. Even in supposedly quiet times this is an extremely popular range, in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if I looked at the figures and found out it was our most popular range. We don't need to discount it. I will be polite about it if asked though (unlike a Ferrari dealer :D )

    However, I know that there ARE dealers out there who will discount 800 series, perhaps this is because they do not sell it under normal circumstances? These dealers will get found out.

    I believe I actually spoke to Simon and was unable to assist him due to him not wanting to provide any information at all, not even his name, for the fear of whatever dealer being found out. Well, they will be found out, not because of anything I do (I'm too busy to get involved in things like this) but because it becomes obvious over time. Also, lets not turn this into a price fixing discussion please as I would have a long winded answer to that which I do not wish to start :D

    If Simon has purchased a pair from a dealer a long way from him then I hope that he knows how to remove the midrange driver should it fail....
     
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    Can't you just be happy for the guy?

    I hope you enjoy your new speakers (no matter what you paid for them) :smashin:
     
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    I'm not unhappy for him.

    What's the old saying? "Too many people know the price of everything and the value of nothing"

    The value of your local dealer cannot be overestimated, especially when it is a significant purchase. If you, for one reason or another, do not get on with your local dealer then go to the one next closest. I have to be honest and say that I do not see how one can look to make a purchase like this and only look for the cheapest price. We are not buying a toaster here. It doesn't matter how well you know the product or are comfortable installing it yourself etc, it is a false economy. You never know when you might need your dealer.
     
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    Thanks Nick, very kind.
    regards
     
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    If I bought speakers of this quality and had a problem then I would like to think that the manufacturer would arrange collection for repair from my nearest dealer (or even my house) even if I'd purchesed them from the other end of the country!
     
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    B&W are excellent imx, they arranged for my Rotel receiver to be collected from my place of work, repaired it and sent it back to my place of work. They even sent me an empty box first as i did not have my original packaging. This was all covered under the warranty although my Rotel amp was about one month out of its warranty period.
     
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    That's really what I would have expected from B&W. I think maybe some dealers are trying to put people off the idea of shoping for a good price when you know what you're after.
     
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    With all due respect, a Rotel receiver is not B&W 800 series.
     
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    I realise the B&W speakers are rather special but surely that's all the more reason for them to go out of their way to help should there be a fault, no matter what part of the country you bought them from. Are you suggesting that if you move house after buying a pair you're screwed if you have a problem or is it only if you buy from one area when you live in another? I somehow doubt you would get anything but first class service from them either way but not having been in that situation with B&W gear I guess I shouldn't be arguing the point!
     
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    If you moved house into my area then I would bend over backwards to help you out if you had a problem. If you ring around every dealer looking for the best price, suggesting that service is not important to you, only price and then you come back to me asking for help, I will be less inclined to assist. Sorry, but you can't have your cake and eat it. BTW, B&W do not have to help in these matters as the warranty (and service) by law is with the seller and not the manufacturer.
     
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    The point being that the service from B&W was excellent and this was with a product they do not manufacture, i cannot see this level of service being any worse for any speakers in their range.

    In relation to the above i did go back to the dealer on the Rotel but they did not want to know as it was one month out of warranty, hence why i went direct to B&W.
     
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    If you contacted B&W about a problem you had with your 80x then they would tell you to go back to your dealer. As I said, the service and warranty comes from the dealer and not the manufacturer.

    B&W (Rotel UK distributors) helped you out due to the (very) poor service you had gotten from your local dealer. They were under no legal obligation to help. I bet that words were had between the two afterwards.

    There is a different way of doing things when you compare 800 series and standard Rotel electronics. B&W need to know that the clients local dealer is more than capable of assisting with any possible issue, when all else is equal. So, they choose their dealers very carefully. The distribution of Rotel is not as heavily scrutinised.
     
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    Okay, fair comments :) :)
     
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    I know this thread is a little off track but...

    Galaxyguy- I disagree with your view.

    Very few dealers in today's market with the internet and forums (like this one), try and combat the price difference with service. Infact they do the opposite and become unfriendly and automatically suspicious of every person that walks through their door.
    Also i find a lot of the so called expert dealers are not as knowledgable as they should be and become obnoxious and petty if you know more than them.
    Do you know how many dealers i have had sneer when i tell them my sub is a Paradigm (servo 15) saying it is Richer sounds rubbish (they do not even know the model) and then try and sell me a REL Quake as an upgrade.

    Before i found these forums i used Musical images in Convent garden and spent a fair bit of money with them. One day i went in and they had the Arcam avr100 on demo (just been released), he knew i was tempted to have a one box solution (already had three rotel power amps, dd/dts decoder, pro-logic decoder and a tuner = 6 boxes)
    So i bought it full retail £799 and when i got home and set it up was immediately underwhelmed. Anyway to cut a long story short, he kept telling me to let it run in and was very reluctant to change it or exchange it.
    Soon found out it was selling for £399 discontinued nearly as quick as it came out (this was at the time it was extremely difficult to get discounts on Arcam gear).

    There are some good dealers/enthusiasts that give out free advice on this forum and there has also been a few that blatantly promote their own brands and rubbish everything else.

    My advice if you really want to compete is to really bend over backwards and maybe offer home-setup's first hour free or follow up sales on the phone and check they have set-up their equipment properly and are happy. Also how about inviting regular customers down to your shop with their equipment (delighted to demo my Servo 15 against a REL Quake :D ) at least you can set it up properly and they can hear if there is a difference.

    Offer all those things to someone who only spends £500 as next time they could be spending £50.000.

    I have a Plumber whom i have used for years, i do not know if he is particularly cheap, what i do know is one christmas when had a flood in my kitchen i had to ring him and ask him if he could come round and sort out the mess, but i would not be able to pay him for two weeks, not only did he come round on a Sunday and sort the problem (turned out it was just the pipe to the garden tap :rolleyes: ), he actually did not charge me.
    Needless to say he now sorts most of my friends and relatives plumbing.

    So next time you come on the forums whinging and moaning about other dealers giving discounts and customers contacting B&W direct and robbing you of your chance to do the same thing and take credit for it.

    Maybe you should think what you can really offer that this forum and cheap retailers cannot and then i can understand if it you bending over backwards or us bending over forwards.

    Rant over :rolleyes:
     
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    I think I would be very naive if I thought that someone would not have a strong opinion against my posts, so Cyrus, I am not surprised. However...

    I need to point out that I visit these forums not for the benefit of the company for which I work (which I have never mentioned) but because I am an enthusiast, first and foremost.

    The internet and mail order companies very rarely effect the business that I do. You can tell me to take my head out of the sand all you like, but I pay a lot of attention to what goes on here and other likeminded forums and the type of client that 99 times out of 100 buys 800 series type product could not give a flying s**t about av forums or any other forum. The only exception could be the Naim forum and they all pretty much to a man support the idea of service from your dealer. The other 1 ends up in situations like this and I have to accept that I may lose that 1 if price is the deciding factor. I can deal with that because I will not compromise my belief in providing the highest level of customer service. It is a fact of life that one cannot be the cheapest and still offer the service.

    For a vast majority of people who visit this type of forum, service appears to not be a problem. The mindset is "why should I pay someone to tell me something that I can get for free on the internet?" and "If I ever need any help I will go to the manufacturer, therefore I just need the cheapest price".

    I agree that there are certain 'specialists' who do become arrogant and snotty and provide a bad name for the rest of us, but I can assure you that you will not get that kind of response from me.

    I am not sure what you are trying to say about giving the first hour free on a home setup or calling after the sale but I can tell you that most local installations are free unless you want a wall mounted plasma or a full av system and I will gladly provide a home demonstration of anything I sell for no charge. Also, it is a matter of course for me to contact you after you have made a serious purchase to make sure you are happy with it.

    If you wanted to bring your Servo 15 down, I would love to hear it alongside what we have. Open your mind and all that :) We also have regular, well attended, musical evenings where anyone can come down and listen to equipment that you may not otherwise have the opportunity to.
     
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    I'm not suggesting service isn't important to me although I do agree with a lot of what CyrustheVirus wrote and often buy without a demo these days because of this but that's another story.

    The point I was trying to make is that if you know exactly what you want and you're not looking for a demo,home trial etc. then I can't see why you shouldn't shop around for the best price. As far as the warranty issue goes, I'd be very surprised to hear the people at B&W turn round and say that legally the warranty is with the seller and they're not going to help if I had a problem. I'd also be quite surprised if there was no manufacturers warranty as well as the shop warranty as you find with Arcam, Monitor Audio etc.
     
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    Galaxyguy- It was not a personal attack, i am sure you offer a good aftersales service (and my points were just what popped in to my head at the time).

    I also know there are plenty of better subwoofers than mine and how much more i will have to spend.

    I remember you posting before about someone who was asking if some B&W speakers and Tag amp was a good deal. Your reply was to bite his arm off and one of our regular members disagreed, next day he had negotiated a further £600 off.
    Now i would have thought you know more about discount margins, but our member was spot on that he was trying to shift dead stock.

    Then there is the Toshiba SD9500 thread, so called dealers Sevenoaks who have had business from me and many forum members, refuse to upgrade our dvd players to multi-region (it is not even a current model).
    Look how many people have tried and we cannot get it done for love nor money unless we buy from certain dealers.
    I eventually sold mine :mad:

    That all said, i am sure it is hard work for retailers to make a living in the current market.

    Cheers John.
     
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    Galaxyguy - your the only person who seems to be put out by Johnson negotiating a discount on his speakers. B&W are happy, the supplying dealer is happy, Johson is happy :D and so are the rest of us for him. 20% discount on 800 series prices is not to be sniffed at and its good money saved.

    800 series dealers outside of the UK seem to be a lot more amicable when it comes to discounts - most offer 10% straight up and will probably do more if asked. In anycase Johnsons supplying dealer even though in the UK clearly has a business model that allows him/her to survive after giving a discount. Most midrange B&W speakers are available readily for 20% below list so why should it be any different for the 800 series ?

    Johnson - well done mate. A cracking deal. Rest assured regardless of what other dealers tell you in this thread you will not have to "remove the midrange driver should it fail". Not only do B&W make cracking products but their service is superb. They will sort it out directly if your local dealer doesn't (I have first hand experience of this). Just dont end up in Galaxyguys showroom anytime soon :D
     
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    Thankyou Rags. Kind sentiments,
    I havn't commented because it smells a bit of sour grapes (from Galaxyguy).How does he know that the dealer is not the closest one to me? I certainly havn't said that.
    Me receiving 20% discount on an £8000 speaker still gives the dealer a reasonable profit.
    I got exactly the same on my previous Nautilus setup.
    Many thanks
     
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    Well done Johnson!

    What bugs me about the majority of dealers, the higher-end ones included, is that they're only familiar with the products they sell and seem inevitably inclined to rubbish everything else. Just last week I was talking to a Nautilus dealer over the phone. Very helpful chap (so it's good service), but when I mentioned I used to own a Velodyne DD15, he said something along the lines of 'it's an American sub so it's built for brash raw power, nothing wrong if that's what you want, but it's just not the same as the B&Ws which are British audiophile speakers'. I just bit my tongue and didn't say anything.
     
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    Sadly there seems to be an awful lot of duff advice out there. The trouble is, I think those people on here who have a real passion for AV will often know more about the products than the dealers themselves. This isn't always the case of course, there are some fantastic dealers out there, but I've found alot of dealers that don't have a clue what they're talking about!
     

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