AVR350 to buy or wait??

JayMann

Standard Member
Hi all:hiya:

Right I'm not a 100% what i maybe on at here so please bare with me

I'm looking at the AVR350 to replace my 7 year old amp (not telling what it is lol ) but a few question to you experts out there.

1. Is the AVR350 the one to go for?
2. Is it gonna do the job for another 7 years?
3. Heard a lot about HDMi audio/video will that be the way to go or just keep things the way i have it now video down one cable and audio down another
4. Do i wait for Arcam to introduce a Amp with video up scaling/conversion and do i really need this??
5. Should i wait for the BR/HD DVD war to finish
6. What format is the standard now is it for HDMi 1080 I or P?


Think that's the lot for now if anyone can help?

Thanks Jay :D
 

Kazuya Mishima

Active Member
1. Is the AVR350 the one to go for?
I love mine, think it's ace, got it paired with Arcam DV88+ and MA Silver speakers, lovely! :smashin:

2. Is it gonna do the job for another 7 years?
I never buy anything with the expectation it will "last" (by that I mean keep up with current technology!) 7 years! :D

3. Heard a lot about HDMi audio/video will that be the way to go or just keep things the way i have it now video down one cable and audio down another
The Arcam 350 will "switch" video and audio signals from a source, but will NOT extract audio signal. So if you have the Arcam 350 you should continue with separate cabling for video and audio. I prefer it that way anyway.

4. Do i wait for Arcam to introduce a Amp with video up scaling/conversion and do i really need this??
I wouldn't wait; could be a few years yet...? other people will know much more than I will on this one.

5. Should i wait for the BR/HD DVD war to finish
No, NEVER wait!!! :D You could spend your whole life waiting; format wars etc will NEVER settle down IMHO. IN a few years we will be onto something else, probably all download/streaming based media or something.

6. What format is the standard now is it for HDMi 1080 I or P?
Things move so fast I could be wrong but until recently 1080i was certainly more 'common' (I am not saying standard) and 1080p required a bit more outlay (in the case of my Pioneer 507XD plasma, 1080i screen cost £2k, 1080p 50" screen cost approx. £5k!!!). But I bought my plasma in January so I am probably well behind the times here...

Hope my thoughts / opinions help you somewhat.
 

Timbo21

Well-known Member
Hi all:hiya:

Right I'm not a 100% what i maybe on at here so please bare with me

I'm looking at the AVR350 to replace my 7 year old amp (not telling what it is lol ) but a few question to you experts out there.

1. Is the AVR350 the one to go for?
2. Is it gonna do the job for another 7 years?
3. Heard a lot about HDMi audio/video will that be the way to go or just keep things the way i have it now video down one cable and audio down another
4. Do i wait for Arcam to introduce a Amp with video up scaling/conversion and do i really need this??
5. Should i wait for the BR/HD DVD war to finish
6. What format is the standard now is it for HDMi 1080 I or P?

Hi Jay,

1. The 350 is definitely worth consideration, but it lacks the ability to recieve hi res audio from Blu-ray or HD DVD via HDMI. If you are only planning on having one hi def player in the future then you could use the analogue phono inputs on the 350 (if the player has 5.1 analogue outputs). However, this becomes a problem if you like things like SACD, since surround SACD absoloutely requires you to use the 5.1 analogue inputs on the 350, and there is only one set of inputs... You could buy a Zektor switcher that will take multiple 5.1 analogue audio inputs and spit it's single analogue 5.1 output to the 350. This box costs around £200 and don't forget that getting decent cables for 5.1 analogue is not cheap; if you had two sources you would need 3 sets of 6 cables (2 sets in and 1 set out to 350), which will cost you at least around £200 if you want good quality ones. And don't forget it's not easy to make that amount of cabling look tidy.

2. Personally I would wait for Arcam to bring out a reciever which can handle surround audio from HDMI. I know they are not fond of HDMI audio because of the jitter issues, but IMO it's getting harder to justify omitting this from their processors/recievers now that we are starting to get a reasonable choice of HD players. So in answer to your question you may find it lacking even in two years time, depending on your needs in relation to the above.

3. If you are looking to get into HD, then HDMI is very important, and all players, bar a couple, will only send upscaled via it's HDMI connection.

4. Personally I like recievers/av amps to just handle the audio, but that's just me. The more video stuff you put in an av amp the more compromises you get with audio since video signals interfer with audio ones. Basically if you have a good player chances are it will do good upscaling, and HD players either don't need scaling or do a very good job of downscaling to 720p

5. It could be a long wait for the format war to end. Dual format players are on the horizon, or you can buy a PS3 and a Toshiba player. Both now play straight DVD very well also.

6. The main HD format is 1080p (known as Full HD), but all HD players have the option of outputting 1080i, or 720p. Normal DVD players sometimes output 480/576 i/p, when upscaling is included they will have a minimum of 1080i/720p, but most made now also upscale to 1080p.

Hope this helps,

T.
 

trailer

Well-known Member
In a way the AVR350 is future proof.

SkyHD is already at 1080i, HD-DVD and BluRay are at 1080p. Hence if you want to look 7 years (or even 1 or 2 years) ahead there wont be a need for upscaling unless TV's gain more resolution. For current SD DVD's theres a very good chance that a decent DVD player will do an equal or better job at upscaling than an £1500 AV amp.

Audio wise, the AVR350 has analogue inputs. If you want to add an HD or BluRay DVD player then let that do the audio processing and output it analogue to the AVR. Admittedly when the updated versions of hdmi from 1.3a and above will let you send audio through the cable too. This means that the AV amp will do the processing. Again, it is debatable whether the player or the amps processing is currently better at doing this, since there are so few players and even less amps about that can in fact process this HD audio.

One thing is for sure, every 6 months something bigger and better will come out to tempt you to flex ye olde credit card. Whether you buy now or hang on, you can guarantee that you will be "superceded". The one thing about Arcam gear is that it might not have all the fancy bells and whistles but it sounds great for the money. At the end of the day isn't this what we're all after?
 

JayMann

Standard Member
HI every one


Popped in to the local dealers the other day, Told them i was after the AVR 350 but he talked me out of it!

Telling me that it's not the AMP to go for for that sort of money went on to say that i'll be better off with the new Marantz SR 8002

He said that the 350 is i bit behind as in it has HDMI 0.1 (is that right?) and the Marantz has the new 1.3

So now i don't know what to pay do i stay with Arcam witch are a bit behind or go with the Marantz with is out there?

Or is my dealer just chatting a load of ****

Thanks Jay
 

trailer

Well-known Member
I've not heard the Marantz but Arcam work on the sound first philosophy. Feature wise the Arcam will come out lower.

I would say it depends if you need the all singing all dancing amp or one that sound is the priority.

Did the dealer offer you a demo?
 

JayMann

Standard Member
He told me that the AVR can't carry HD sound can i not connect it with a optical cable for the sound and HDMI for the Video??
 

trailer

Well-known Member
You most certainly can.

However, the only way you can get HD sound from it is via the analogue ins. This means running 3 pairs of phono cables from the source to the AVR.
 

Turtles

Active Member
I think on a more basic level you need to decide on your priorities. The Arcam is not going to offer the cutting edge all bells and whistles that you get with any of the Japanese AV amps. What it does do though is provide a very high standard of stereo for an AV amp, generally considered to be much higher than its competitors.

If you are looking primarily for a cinema AV amp then there are better, with more features elsewhere. If you are looking for an amp that has a very good cinema aspect but that also provides excellent stereo performance (a balance if you like) then this is a very, very good choice.

As many will testify that by using a high quality CD source and by using the direct fuction on the amp really does amaze in stereo. But if you're a film buff and not really bothered about music then this isn't the ideal amp for you.
 

Turtles

Active Member
Despite my loyalty to the 350 then I'll have to concede that its probably not the amp for you. I have a 50/50 split of music and films so its great but if I was in the market for just an cinema amp I’d loiter around the Amp forum and give them a price range and I’m sure your get some great advice.
 

JayMann

Standard Member
Thanks for all your help guy's

I really really what the 350 but as you say it don't look like it's the one for me:(:(
 

trailer

Well-known Member
I'd still definitely have a listen to the Arcam with say the Marantz and see what you think yourself. Specs aren't everything.
 

RumNYC

Active Member
Thanks for all your help guy's

I really really what the 350 but as you say it don't look like it's the one for me:(:(
Once you compare the 350 with anything from Marantz/Denon/Yamaha/Pioneer/Onkyo, you will end up getting the 350. Its easy to list a million features that the 350 doesn't have, but its a different matter to beat it in audio performance. Don't count it out unless you get to listen to it and compare it with sth else.
 

blue max

Distinguished Member
Sound quality is sound quality, whether it's through two or six speakers.

That is particularly true of the centre speaker where dialogue could get lost.

I would certainly second the demonstration idea.

Graham
 

RogerSch

Active Member
I can only confirm that you should decide not on specs but on the sound quality! 17 years ago I was looking for a decent stereo amp and with no experience I was focussing on Denon, Onkyo and Marantz. So I went to a HiFi / Piano store and I asked to listen a "huge" Denon amp. I sounded good but then the salesman mentioned the Arcam Delta 60. Only one third of the size, less power, less features and connection options so I was a bit sceptical. But then I heard the music the Arcam amplified... GREAT.. So I ended up in buying the Arcam :)

Six years ago I made a mistake in buying an Harman Kardon Surround Amplifier. (Buying an Arcam surround amplifier was at that stage above my budget...) Although it was good enough in playing movies, listing to classical piano music you could immediately hear that the sound was to much "coloured". Even my wife complained about that. So three months ago I corrected my mistake and bought the AVR350. But only after comparing it to a Onkyo, Rotel and Denon surround amplifiers. To my ears the AVR350 sounded the most natural both for music and movies. So now it is connected to 4 BNS Soundcolumn II speakers and 1 BNS Soundcolumn I speaker as center speaker. Piano music sounds great again!
Here is a link to my current setup: http://www.mijnhometheater.nl/index.html?url=/Rogersch.htm


So JayMann please listen and compare the sound quality of the amps before deciding on which amp to buy..

By the way: The Arcam Delta 60 is still in use as the stereo amplifier connected to my main computer at home.
 

JayMann

Standard Member
I hear what all you guy's are saying i really really want the Arcam But i can't hear all that good sound like you guy's can and i never listen to music (only on the ipod)


When i do watch film's their AVI files so most of the time.....

Plus with all the toy's i have the Denon will do the job for me bang on besides i think my old Sony amp sound's good :blush:
 

NonPayingMember

Previously Liam @ Prog AV
The Arcam sounds so much better than all the other amps with HDMI audio that I can't see why you wouldn't go AVR350 in the end.

True HD audio digitally into a poor amp, or True HD audio via analogue into a very bloody good amp? It's no more complicated than that really. 200 quid switch isn't much to cry about to get more sources in!
 

barrywi

Active Member
I am nearly 61 and with hearing that is nowhere as good as a youngster and my wife is 59. We had decided on a Yamaha 2700(on spec alone) and were ready to buy, We went to Creative Audio in Shrewsbury( a long way from where we live in Cumbria) and had the amp ready to listen to with my choice of speakers, Dali Ikon 5.1. Both of us were disappointed with the sound, it was un focussed and had no impact with CD and DVD. Needless to say I was mortified and thought all was lost. The salesman suggested listening to the Arcam 350 and we were just blown away with the difference. Its unusual that my wife and I agree:D but this time there was no doubt and it was a huge improvement. Needless to say we bought the Arcam and its just as good at home though not quite as good as my previous Meridian/ Mission sysytem for CDs. I dont miss all the gadgetty things on the Japanese amps, though I found myself impressed with the spec of the new Onkyo 905....but am sure the Arcam will beat it for pure sound quality so am suppressing my itchy credit card. I am sure Arcam will bring out an AV amp with the new HD Dolby decoders eventually but it is easy to work around with the analogue inputs .
My advice GO AND LISTEN TO THE AMPS!!!!!! (dont buy on spec or review):nono:
 

McFaber

Well-known Member
The Marantz would be good compromise IMO..;)

Btw, my previous amp was an Marantz, although I've since changed to a 350.

Both amps are what we would 'Musical' amps meaning both companies have sound quality high on their agenda.
I'd recommend to get a demo of the two amps concerned, as Arcam and Marantz have different 'sound' signatures.
 

JayMann

Standard Member
Ive been looking to change my old amp ever since the AVR200 came out but other thing's came first (like new with a H K system in it :) ) so after waiting so long to change my mind now I'd be mad to change to a different manufacturer now!!

350 it is :D

When i do get the 350 what will be the best set up with my DV88 plus do i go with component in for video and coax for sound???
 

Dankeech

Member
When i do get the 350 what will be the best set up with my DV88 plus do i go with component in for video and coax for sound???

Component for video, and you'll want coax for DVD. As for listening to CD's, I'd suggest experiement between the coax (AV Reciever's DACs in use) and a set of phono stereo interconnects (DV88's DACs in use).

Regards,

Dan
 

JayMann

Standard Member
Hi guys,

I'v decided to go for the 350 not gonna go and have a go before i buy just gonna go in and get her

Managed to get a bit of a deal on the 350 and wanted to see what you lot think to it?

AVD350 @ £1550
£150 off that,
rDock (Witch is £130 rrp i think)
and £20 off a £70 QED HDMi lead

So all in all £300 off

Any good?
 

blue max

Distinguished Member
I'd skip the QED hdmi lead at that price. Mark Grant's are well made and much cheaper, or go for an ultra cheap one as is often recommended here.

I think you will be pleased. I know I was.

Graham
 

The latest video from AVForums

LG CX Best Picture Settings
Subscribe to our YouTube channel

Latest News

BAFTA 2021 awards sees Nomadland as big winner
  • By Andy Bassett
  • Published
What's new on Netflix UK for May 2021
  • By Andy Bassett
  • Published
Samsung rumoured to be buying OLED TV panels from LG Display
  • By Andy Bassett
  • Published
Netflix signs with Sony for first streaming rights in U.S.
  • By Andy Bassett
  • Published
Audio Pro launches C10 MkII speaker
  • By Andy Bassett
  • Published

Full fat HDMI teeshirts

Support AVForums with Patreon

Top Bottom