You guys may be aware, Arcam recently cut its price for the AVR 360 to ease the introduction of the AVR 380. Musically, I think the 360 is rather good. Bit let down by the power amp bit. Struggles to drive my B&W 685/686/HTM62 5.1 system. Maybe its just B&W. Thought I needed bigger speakers, but then tested adding a 100W pc power amp, and suddenly the B&Ws are singing! I have a suspicion that the premap bits across the AVR range are largely similiar. If you can afford the space, adding a power amp will transform the sound. At £750 (£650 now at Sevenoaks), it makes for a very good value preamp. Power amp choices are slightly limited. Audiolab 8200X7 is retailing around £1500. Rotel RMB-1565 around £850. I can testify the Rotel sounds as good as the Audiolab. Possibly because they work well with B&Ws. So for less than 2 grand, you could have a solid pre-power combo!