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BMox81

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So what do we reckon to all this Sonos/Google stuff then?

Have to be honest and don't feel too over the moon with all this having only just taken the plunge on the Beam and One's....
 

Desmo

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Do you have or would you want any Google stuff? Personally it doesn't bother me one bit.
 

jamieu

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So what do we reckon to all this Sonos/Google stuff then?

Have to be honest and don't feel too over the moon with all this having only just taken the plunge on the Beam and One's....
I guess the danger is Google offer to buy out Sonos to make it all go away and in the process gain Sonos' patents — chump change for Alphabet/Google for all of Sonos' patents. That would also give Google an edge over Amazon ie. if Google own Sonos and in turn all their patents then that puts Google in a strong position to go after Amazon for patent infringement. Maybe this is actually Sonos' game plan / plan b.

From what I have read Google, as part of the initial Google/Sonos deal and before Google had their own speaker range, asked Sonos to provide Google with technical documents showing how Sonos worked under the hood. This was before Google made their own speakers so Sonos didn't feel this was a direct threat, maybe unwise / foolish in retrospect.

Later on when Google released their own speakers, Sonos did some packet inspection on the Google protocol and they discovered it was remarkable similar to Sonos' protocol. If that is true and it can be proven in court then I expect Sonos will have a fairly sound case and Google will have to agree to licence certain technologies from them, which is what I understand Sonos have been asking for privately up till now. It's not like Google don't already licence patents from other companies.

Amazon and Google aren't going to be giving up on selling networked speakers any time soon, so I expect they'll either end up licensing certain patents from Sonos, while simultaneously working to circumvent them in new products.

Also Google and Amazon have enough cash to bleed Sonos dry in court and it's not like either Google or Amazon have a reputation to tarnish anymore. Neither of which bode well for Sonos.

Be interesting to see how it turns out...be surprised if it has any short term effect on Sonos — unless you currently use Google assistant/music or Alexa/Amazon music with your Sonos speakers. But be good to see the little guy win for one!
 
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jamieu

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Do you have or would you want any Google stuff? Personally it doesn't bother me one bit.
Well I haven't forgiven them for stopping my Nest thermostat from working with my Harmony remote (after they bought out Nest) ;-)
 

BMox81

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Be interesting to see how it turns out...be surprised if it has any short term effect on Sonos — unless you currently use Google assistant/music or Alexa/Amazon music with your Sonos speakers. But be good to see the little guy win for one!
Isn’t that the reason most people buy the Beam or One’s though?
 

jouster

Moderator
Do you have or would you want any Google stuff? Personally it doesn't bother me one bit.
Well regardless of the Google issue, it sounds like Amazon and a Echo will be next so everyone could be affected
 

jouster

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Well I haven't forgiven them for stopping my Nest thermostat from working with my Harmony remote (after they bought out Nest) ;-)
Mine still works with my Harmony, but I haven't switched over to Google from Nest
 

jouster

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Should we be worried? Are Sonos struggling? :eek: :(
I doubt they are "struggling" but I do think they have rested on their laurels for a bit too long and just hoped that their growing fan base will excuse their lack of innovation of late.
 

jouster

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as usual the Sonbos Fanboys (almost worse than Apple now...dont get me wrong I love both but come on) see them doing no wrong whilst they continue to buy Sonos HT thinking it is better than anything wired....regardless of what Sonos HT is missing.

Hopefully Sonos start to realise they are no longer the only system out there...whilst Im not sure 24 bit audio is the most threat to their system in general...they certainly need to bring a bit more to the table
 

HMHB

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I hate that about the Sonos forums, the people who just don't let anyone say anything bad about Sonos. I'm starting to think that it's an American thing, you mustn't say anything bad about American companies and their products, whereas us in the UK take delight in bashing our own companies :D
 

jouster

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it is quite amazing how so many people have become so blinkered. I've been a long time fan of Sonos but certainly, see where they have fallen short for myself and many other users.

Amazon and Google have come along and picked up the people who just didn't want to spend "200 on a single speaker. Even Apple with their HUGE fanbase couldn't convert people with their speakers so it shows how the price is still king a lot of the time.

And to tell users they cannot use their systems in a way other than they are told (no Airplay 2, for example) and "forcing" users to upgrade
 

HMHB

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Indeed they don't seem to mind having to alienate some of their customers these days.

They started with binning the CR100 controller (admittedly I got a free Sonos One speaker from them for moaning about it!). There were quite a few people who had several CR100 controllers and overnight they were deemed useless.

Then came the withdrawal of playing from iphones and ipads to certain speakers. I think they blame Apple for that but it still doesn't help those who only bought speakers so they could play stuff from their phones.

Now there's the fuss about the trade up scheme. I personally have no problem with this and may take advantage of it as I haven't been able to sell my ZP90 units for a decent price. BUT it has hit quite a few websites over the Christmas break and Sonos are being made to look like villains for doing this - even the BBC news website jumped on the bandwagon.

Like has been said above, there seems to be a certain arrogance that 'we are Sonos and we do what we like'. This makes people a bit jittery about what units they might be making obsolete next. I'm dreading the Play1 being made 'redundant' as I have 4 of them.
 

LivingRoomFanatic

Novice Member
Hello all. I bought a Play 5 in December. I just wanted to check something. Should certain parts of tracks be separated by the speaker? Sometimes recently I’ve noticed ’more’ of a track coming from the centre and left of the speaker, but on closer inspection there are other ’elements‘ of the track coming from the right.

Is this to try and mimic a wider, almost stereo sound as far as it can, and/or due to trueplay tuning? Just curious as at first I thought maybe my unit was faulty and sound was coming only from the middle and left but on closer inspection that’s not what’s happening. For example on Herbie Hancock’s Watermelon Man the track starts with wood pipes which is separated to the left, and then a different set of wood pipes come in and they are separated to the right. I think it’s just more of the bassy elements are being separated more to the left which is giving the impression of the music being pushed further to the left. Another example being a boom bap hip hop tack where the kicks appear more centre and left but the snaps are more pushed to the right.

Edit: I should point out that this really isn’t a problem, but possibly just more of a perception thing. I sit directly in front of the speaker at a distance of a few feet to purely enjoy the music. For this listening set up would I be best to turn off the trueplay?
 
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jouster

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Mr X

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Talking of Sonos addiction...Just finished the install of my first Sonos Amp (have the old Connect Amp) with some Sonance in-ceiling Architectural to replace my rears ONES and really pleased.
I think the rear plays/ONES are fantastic in a Sonos 5.1 but these have now added just a little bit more Oomph in overall bass and rears effects. Very good! Not sure if's its the bigger (Slightly directional tweeter and woofer) speaker's or the new more powerful AMP but no doubt a combo of both in comparison to the ONEs.
That said, makes me also realise how good the ONE's are as rears and music for their cost. They are brilliant speakers.

I've now got 3 spare ones that I really should sell but also don't want to part with them, and apart from putting then in the toilet - I've now run out of rooms for any more Sonos :(
I need to move, my work here is done!
 
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Desmo

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I can keep them warm here until you move :D
 

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