AVForums Podcast: Episode 227 - 2nd July 2018

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    1. Phil Hinton

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      This week:

      00:01:10 – It’s hot but that’s good… unless you’re Mark
      00:10:18 – Current competitions
      00:11:09 – Phil reviews the Panasonic FZ952 OLED TV
      00:20:43 – Steve thoughts on the Trinnov Altitude16 and Acurus ACT4 AV processors
      00:36:25 – Ed reviews the Elipson Music Centre HD Black Edition
      00:39:39 – Ed’s album, vinyl release and playlist of the month
      00:46:04 – Films opening this week – The First Purge, Terminal, In Darkness, and Mary Shelley 00:50:03 – Films of the month
      00:53:06 – Disc releases this week – Game Night, The Were Never Really Here, Ladybird, and The Endless
      00:55:19 – Upcoming 4K disc releases
      00:58:21 – Discs of the month
      00:59:13 – TV shows of the month
      01:08:00 – Who shot first? – Steve works out which parts of Solo were filmed by Lord & Miller or by Ron Howard
      01:16:15 – Goodbyes

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    2. boabis

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      Great show, good to see you pushing the boundaries and talking about some madcap expensive gear. Car mags and tv shows are forever reviewing insane luxury cars we’ll never even see, let alone drive, why should AV be different. Gives us an idea of where the future lies for affordable kit.

      Like the sound of the Ellipson system, they should sell a barrel-load of them at that price. Having said that, if you were to forego the need for CD and a physical tuner, a stereo amp + Chromecast & Bluetooth dongles would give you the same results?
       
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      Great podcast again!

      For me Dolby Vision was more about future proofing than box ticking. The TV I have bought will hopefully last me 5 years or so, and for that DV was a bit of a must. HDR10+ hadn't been released at that time so wasn't a consideration. There may not be much of a difference between DV and HDR10 at this point, but in 24 months who knows.
       
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      For me it's sounding more and more like DV is a very marginal upgrade, and might be noticeable for videophiles, but generally not a must-have, particularly as other dynamic techniques for HDR are also available, and implemented on some devices, even before HDR10+ makes inroads.

      In essence no different to :-

      1. DVDs, where only some titles supported anamorphic
      2. DVDs, where only some titles supported 5.1 DD, some did DTS, most just had Dolby Surround.
      3. BluRays where some had HD Audio tracks, with most people only carrying DD/DTS setups.
      4. BluRay/UHD carrying Atmos tracks, with most people only having HD audio setups.

      In other words, it's just niche until every device and media release supports it, and therefore truly is a standard. But until that time, you still buy equipment and discs, with sparing and inconsistent support for the new niche innovation.
       
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      If DV is a marginal upgrade, and at the moment it is, can you see people spending even more money to get HDR10+ support?

      I got my TV hoping it would last about 5 years, DV may have disappeared altogether by then or be the best thing since loafs got sliced. Who knows, but if your splashing £4K on a TV it’s worth ticking that box! ;)
       
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      Well the thought is that people shouldn't have to spend significantly more money for HDR10+, there is no licensing or hardware involved, so no costs other than software development to pass onto the consumers. So if manufacturers do adopt there is much more scope for retrofitting via firmware updates (though we can't rely on Manufacturers to follow-through I agree).

      But I think the bigger issue is that DV only works on DV-authored and licensed content, and needs a complete compliant hardware chain. We are already seeing techniques in software that are interpreting the HDR10 meta-data and other elements in the video, to be able to make more dynamic adjustments, which will therefore work on 'all' content irrespective of DV or HDR10+, these of course will always be a bonus if present.
       
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      If the picture quality jump difference is similar to SD - HD- 4K then we will see it, but otherwise I doubt we will notice if a tv is showing DV or HDR10+ if we are not told before hand.
       
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      Another interesting podcast guys :)

      I was interested to hear your review of the Panny Oled... I've always had Panasonic TVs (for the past 20-odd years) right up 'til this year.

      As good as the Panasonic accuracy is, lack of DV was a deal-breaker for me.
      It's a shame, as I've always loved their TVs.
       
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      It is a strange, inconsistent and conflicting decision by Amazon to utilise DOLBY VISION in USA vs HDR10 in Europe. Also, is that not more work for them having to manage and store multiple film formats.

      Makes no sense unless they are being paid to do this.
      Under the table cash in hand by Samsung
       
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      Fantastic podcast as always.

      Will you be reviewing the Lyngdorf MP50 and Emotiva RMC-1 as well?
       
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      Or, in this era of uncertainty, it could be simply an 'each way' bet. It might of course mean they eventually choose a winner worldwide, and the other gets buried.
       
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      Great poddy and loved the insight into Lord & Millar / Howard differences. Thanks for that Steve.

      Regarding the world cup, I know it's not been mentioned but BBC is also screening their games in VR. I know the picture quality won't be as good as 4K-HLG but I had a go on the Samsung Gear VR and was very impressed. It's far from perfect... but my word do you get a sense of scale. You don't feel like you're looking at a screen in a box (which you might get using something like Google Cardboard)... but it gives the impression that you are at the stadium.

      I think if technology catches up and and more sport is screened in VR, it could be a game changer. :)
       
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      Have to agree I love watching in VR despite the video quality issues, once they sort that out it will be unstoppable
       
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      I have just watched "Hard Nox" on Netflix that was mentioned in the podcast. In fact i have just signed up to Netflix because of this podcast. I am sickened by the cover-up by VW.......and others. The testing that they did on the primates, that they originally wanted to do on humans made me feel absolutely sick. Thank you for the recommendation of this documentary . It has reaffirmed my decision to not by another Diesel again.
      The Staircase is next :)
       
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      Fascinating to hear Steve talking about such high end AV Gear and costing £100,000 plus as Phil mentioned. A dream System.

      However, I think we might be able to get close to it due to the massive innovations in Headphone and Headphone DAC technologies.
      Take the Focal Utopia £4000 Headphones + ChordDave £7000 DAC/AMP.

      With this Headphone System you won’t feel the physical base thump in the chest, but that is ok, because when you tell the wife "I just spent £11,000 on a Headphone System" - you will get your thumps. And these thumps will hit harder than the £100,000+ AV HIFI.
       
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      Thanks again folks.

      What was the news room show on Amazon Prime mentioned, please ?

      Cheers

      MB
       

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