AVForums Movies Podcast: Is it time for the Bond movies to die?

Phil Hinton

Editor
Staff member
This week we discuss the release of the 25th Bond movie, No Time To Die. We also discuss the Bonds we grew up with and whether we think there's still a future for the character. PLUS a podcast exclusive competition.

Presented by Cas Harlow with Mark Costello and Simon Crust

This weeks’ podcast is sponsored by the 'Bowers & Wilkins 800 Series Diamond range.

Email questions and feedback to [email protected]

00:00:00 - Start
00:00:22 - Welcome
00:02:06 - Competitions
00:04:17 - James Bond - No Time to Die Review
00:09:13 - What bond movies we'd most like to see in 4K
00:32:54 - Is it time for bond movies to die?
00:54:05 - The best streaming TV coming soon in October
01:01:58 - Podcast competition


Towards the end of the podcast, we ask you the question for this week's competition. Win a copy of Natural Born Killers on Blu-ray When you know the question, select the correct answer in the competition here. https://www.avforums.com/competitions


These links will be live following the live stream

Direct Link


To watch the video with the live chat, click the YouTube logo in the video window
Support us by making a donation at avforums / Streamlabs
Become a Patron at AVForums is creating Videos | Patreon
Your donations help us to improve the website, publish more editorial and make better podcasts. Thank you.
 
Last edited:

Pogg

Member
The new Bond is predicted to be “A non white TrendsGinger Veganerian”.
He…She….It…will be non violent and will use Socail Media with Protesting to fight the badies. The new Bond will not be afraid to show emotions and hence plenty of Kleenex to wipe away the frequent Tears. Infact Kleenex could be a Product Placement Sponsor for the New Bond Brand.

The Title of the next Bond Movie “Yes it’s Time to Die”.
I think you guys already worked out the Movie title by the subject heading in this Podcast.
 
Last edited:

Chevyonfuel

Distinguished Member
My first Bond experience was when I was given an ex-rental VHS of The Living Daylights in what must have been 1990-1991 (I'd have been 5-6 years old then). It had a trailer for The Witches Of Eastwick that was narrated by Paul Gambaccini I think. After that I started recording each Bond on VHS as they were shown at Christmas or Bank Holidays. I suspect because I had early exposure to various actors in the role, I didn't really have a preference. I think I then saw A View To A kill and then Live and Let Die followed by Goldfinger. What makes me sad is that growing up at the time I did, the Brosnan era was the one I got to see at the cinema, and those films were generally quite unremarkable save for some excellent set pieces. Brosnan himself was a great choice but didn't get the scripts worthy of his talent IMO.

As a franchise, it's done a broadly good job of remaining relevant i.e. tinkering with the formula to keep it up to date, or at least try and dig into the fears of audiences at the time. Ironically, the biggest fear of some now is change - some would prefer to have a Bond that's misogynistic, and a host of women who exist purely as somewhere for him to park himself overnight. There was much animosity towards the idea of a female 007, it's hard to tell if that demographic would accept a female 006, or 008 either.

No Time To Die received a lot of flak in the lead up to release for being 'woke', when it reality the franchise has prided itself on strong female characters throughout its existence. Whether it's CIA / NSA agents, trained astronauts, nuclear physicists and so on, they added more than just being a pretty face.

With a new lead actor comes a new chapter, and they can approach it however they like. While there's a strong appetite to make a period piece, most of the details have already been lifted from the novels, with varying degrees of success (IMO too much of Gustav Graves ruined any chance of making a proper Moonraker, and so on). The trouble is that the moment they commit to anything resembling a remake, the reaction would (perhaps rightly) be that they're out of ideas and should call it a day.

Personally, I'd like to see a film in the late 50's or early 60's - Cold War, Cuban missile crisis kinda stuff, with a strong cast and those little detail touches like Leiter missing an arm, M's health troubles, Bond's drinking etc. It wouldn't be glamorous though - so it probably wouldn't make much money (as you chaps noted in the podcast). That sort of 'real' spy film isn't the escapism that punters pay for, because something like The Spy Who Came In From The Cold paints a realistic and bleak picture of the profession, and one that's far removed from cocktails and lavishness. If you were to make a film about real spying and espionage, it wouldn't be that entertaining. In a way the franchise is at a cross roads where its next move is to either please purists, or a wider audience, and that's tricky because they don't necessarily want the same sort of film.

Some franchises have a very tribal, committed fan base who can be quite offended if a film isn't to their taste (Bond and Star Wars in particularly suffer from this). The only film I ever felt truly let down by was SPECTRE, because it had the cast and all the pieces in place to make it special, but it just didn't work. The back story to the production is perhaps more interesting than the film. DC's leg injury during filming, the friction with Sam Mendes - whatever happened, the happy collective that made Skyfall, just didn't get on anymore it would seem.

As I noted in the No Time To Die review thread, I loved the latest entry and for me it sits in my top 5, which would be (in no necessary order):

On Her Majesty's Secret Service
No Time To Die
Casino Royale
Goldfinger
The Spy Who Loved Me


I'd expect EON to make some smart casting choices next, and return to the tone of the books to ease in a new adaptation of the character, if not lifting a central story line. What it really needs is another Casino Royale style effort. It'll be interesting to see who directs it; I thought Cary did a fantastic job but they might want a safe pair of hands who's broken in a few Bonds previous, and Martin Campbell's the one for that.
 

Evinger

Distinguished Member
Thanks for a great Podcast Gents.
Being born in the 50's Connery was always my Bond until Dalton & then Craig (at least Casino Royal). But I always had time for Moore. My best Friend in the 60's lived in a house in a Cul-de-Sac & I would go over to visit frequently. Roger Moore was friends with the couple in the corner house & I saw him pull up & go in on more than one occassion. This was the time when he was playing The Saint & so a big Star for the UK. To see him driving up in a nice but regular Car & visiting friends with no fuss or "assistants" I thought was fantastic even at that young age.
 

Jessica Noir

Well-known Member
Another great (if a little short) podcast lads, and it was great to make the comparison between the Bond franchise with the Mission: Impossible one.

While few of the films went as in-depth as Fleming's novels, we do have a keen sense of Bond's character. The death of his parents, his education, his naval rank and well as his love of women, luxury brands which make up for his worryingly casual attitude to murdering people. Compare that to Ethan Hunt who is so blank as a character, the only back story we get it when Kitridge explains why he thinks he sold out the IMF back in the first film. Other than that, he's Tom Cruise. The lack of character flaws and any sense of being real always kept the Mission: Impossible films from being on-par with the Bond films. Saying that Fallout and Brian de Palma's first film are brilliant cinema.

I know I'll automatically get the physical is better than digital responses, but if you want to see the non-Craig Bonds on 4K, they are on iTunes currently at £5.99 each.
 

Chevyonfuel

Distinguished Member
I forgot to mention which films I'd like to see in 4K. While the answer is all of them, there's a few that would perhaps benefit more than others. The Spy Who Loved Me and Thunderball stand out as they had some very vibrant cinematography. Thunderball I hope would receive some more TLC first. The negative used by Lowry for the 1080p has a fair bit of damage present throughout the film which is a pity, but in a way it adds to the nostalgia in a small way, as too much cleaning up of old film can take the life out of the image.

By way of a tedious link, last year I started collecting film cells from the theatrical releases of my favourite films (all sorts of stuff, but Bond films where I could find them). These two are both older than me, and in better condition...

IMG_20211007_135252_resized_20211007_015327280.jpg


IMG_20211007_135240_resized_20211007_015327684.jpg
 

Fleaman101

Active Member
This podcast was a great example of the passion and knowledge of the three hosts, even if Tom was pretty quiet in the chat! Always great to learn and expand my own knowledge through these, and have a laugh at the same time.
 

Tom Davies

Editorial Contributor
This podcast was a great example of the passion and knowledge of the three hosts, even if Tom was pretty quiet in the chat! Always great to learn and expand my own knowledge through these, and have a laugh at the same time.
I only showed up briefly to stick my oar in.
I'm otherwise engaged on Wednesdays currently but, like James Bond, I will return!
 

MrMrH

Active Member
I know I'll automatically get the physical is better than digital responses, but if you want to see the non-Craig Bonds on 4K, they are on iTunes currently at £5.99 each.
iTunes has the whole James Bond 24 Movie Collection for €99.99 which works out pretty well if you are looking for the set, the bonus with iTunes is often when they get an upgraded version it's applied to previous purchases (plenty of my movies have been updated over the years).

I can't understand the Love for Casino Royale ... just seems odd to me to have a Bond movie with Woody Allen in it, that said I haven't seen it and maybe it is a hidden gem.

If you are looking for an interesting 17 min watch on YouTube you should hunt out "The Rock is DEFINATELY a James Bond Movie". As far as I am concerned it's part of the Bond universe now.

The upcoming Movie I'm most keen to is "Ready or Not", staring Samara Weeving (aka Margot Faux-bee), I really enjoyed that movie.
 
Last edited:

moraghan

Active Member
iTunes has the whole James Bond 24 Movie Collection for €99.99 which works out pretty well if you are looking for the set, the bonus with iTunes is often when they get an upgraded version it's applied to previous purchases (plenty of my movies have been updated over the years).

I can't understand the Love for Casino Royale ... just seems odd to me to have a Bond movie with Woody Allen in it, that said I haven't seen it and maybe it is a hidden gem.

If you are looking for an interesting 17 min watch on YouTube you should hunt out "The Rock is DEFINATELY a James Bond Movie". As far as I am concerned it's part of the Bond universe now.

The upcoming Movie I'm most keen to is "Ready or Not", staring Samara Weeving (aka Margot Faux-bee), I really enjoyed that movie.
Ok I will be the first to say it … just WTF are you talking about? Is this a windup?

Also, the whole James Bond collection is currently £69.99 …. you quote euros (I think … currency symbol looks wierd on my screen) but surely the exchange rate is not that bad?
 

MrMrH

Active Member
Ok I will be the first to say it … just WTF are you talking about? Is this a windup?

Also, the whole James Bond collection is currently £69.99 …. you quote euros (I think … currency symbol looks wierd on my screen) but surely the exchange rate is not that bad?
I’m afraid not… never underestimate rip off Ireland.

As for what am I talking about, I was referring to the 1967 David Niven / Peter Sellers version of “Casino Royale” which the trailer looks like a fever dream.
 

Attachments

  • 05D2669A-3FA0-4137-A232-34BEC330869C.jpeg
    05D2669A-3FA0-4137-A232-34BEC330869C.jpeg
    491.3 KB · Views: 81

Pogg

Member
iTunes has the whole James Bond 24 Movie Collection for €99.99 which works out pretty well if you are looking for the set, the bonus with iTunes is often when they get an upgraded version it's applied to previous purchases (plenty of my movies have been updated over the years).

I can't understand the Love for Casino Royale ... just seems odd to me to have a Bond movie with Woody Allen in it, that said I haven't seen it and maybe it is a hidden gem.

If you are looking for an interesting 17 min watch on YouTube you should hunt out "The Rock is DEFINATELY a James Bond Movie". As far as I am concerned it's part of the Bond universe now.

The upcoming Movie I'm most keen to is "Ready or Not", staring Samara Weeving (aka Margot Faux-bee), I really enjoyed that movie.
“When Harry met Sally” is also now part of the Bond Universe.
 

Pogg

Member
Best Bond movie “Never Say Never Again”.
It was banned from the rest of the Bond collection and deliberately disassociated due to 2 scenes showing side boobs.
 

moraghan

Active Member
I’m afraid not… never underestimate rip off Ireland.

As for what am I talking about, I was referring to the 1967 David Niven / Peter Sellers version of “Casino Royale” which the trailer looks like a fever dream.
I know about the Casino Royals movie ... I got that bit .... TBH I quite like the movie .... fantastic cast.

However I was referring to the bit about was this :

'The upcoming Movie I'm most keen to is "Ready or Not", staring Samara Weeving (aka Margot Faux-bee), I really enjoyed that movie.'

You seem to say you are really keen to watch it ... but then seem to say you have already seen it.

Apologies if its some sort of joke ... obviously above my head.
 

MrMrH

Active Member
However I was referring to the bit about was this :

'The upcoming Movie I'm most keen to is "Ready or Not", staring Samara Weeving (aka Margot Faux-bee), I really enjoyed that movie.'

You seem to say you are really keen to watch it ... but then seem to say you have already seen it.

Apologies if its some sort of joke ... obviously above my head.
Sorry, it wasn't any joke. I just missed a couple of words (and a bit of context) when I was typing on my phone.

I meant to say:
"The upcoming Movie I'm most keen to see again is "Ready or Not", staring Samara Weeving (aka Margot Faux-bee), I really enjoyed that movie."
The reason is because so many of my friends haven't seen it so it coming to streaming means that we finally get to talk about it.

I actually own it but often I will watch something I own on a streaming service so it helps the movie (and Genres) numbers and encourages similar investment, for example it would make a fantastic double feature with "You're Next" but unfortunately that's doesn't seem to be available on any subscription streaming services or iTunes which is where I get all my movies and is only on the Sky Store and Rakuten ... "Housebound" is another I would love to see again but that too is only available to buy on Rakuten.
 

moraghan

Active Member
Sorry, it wasn't any joke. I just missed a couple of words (and a bit of context) when I was typing on my phone.

I meant to say:
"The upcoming Movie I'm most keen to see again is "Ready or Not", staring Samara Weeving (aka Margot Faux-bee), I really enjoyed that movie."
The reason is because so many of my friends haven't seen it so it coming to streaming means that we finally get to talk about it.

I actually own it but often I will watch something I own on a streaming service so it helps the movie (and Genres) numbers and encourages similar investment, for example it would make a fantastic double feature with "You're Next" but unfortunately that's doesn't seem to be available on any subscription streaming services or iTunes which is where I get all my movies and is only on the Sky Store and Rakuten ... "Housebound" is another I would love to see again but that too is only available to buy on Rakuten.
I see … makes more sense. Loved both Ready Or Not and Youre Next. I will check out Housebound …. which kind of sounds a bit like The Vigil … which is great. Another cracker I have recently watched is The Night. Both are basically psychological ghost stories.
 

MrMrH

Active Member
I see … makes more sense. Loved both Ready Or Not and Youre Next. I will check out Housebound …. which kind of sounds a bit like The Vigil … which is great. Another cracker I have recently watched is The Night. Both are basically psychological ghost stories.
"Housebound" is a difficult one to pin down, and it would pay to know as little as possible going in. Might not work for everyone but for those up for the ride it's well worth it. If you do get to see it someday message me and let me know what you thought.

On the other hand if movies about people hunting people... gone wrong is your thing, "The Hunt" is great.
 

The latest video from AVForums

AVForums Movies Podcast: Streaming Theatrical Releases And The Future Of Cinema
Subscribe to our YouTube channel

Full fat HDMI teeshirts

Support AVForums with Patreon

Top Bottom