Audyssey App discussion - chat about midrange compensation and post your graphs here!

Tingo

Active Member
I think Audyssey has had its day now. And looking back at it it was probably never as good as we made it out to be...
For example, why do we get different results using the same mic and same eight positions in the same room? I remember when it was first included with the Onkyo THX receivers there was a thread on it. A guy spent all day doing runs and got different results every time. Either speaker sizes, distances etc.
It does of course help if you have a little understanding in the fact that it doesn’t eq your system - it eq your room. If it was any good why would it be recommended to make changes to the results like set the crossovers to 80Hz? If it’s what it measures in your room why not leave it...?
So this weekend I’m picking up an Antimode 8033 Mk1 and eq only my subwoofer. The Schroeder freq in my room is 237 so if I slide it down to that not a lot is being eq’d anyway if I have my crossover set to 80Hz...
All now seems a little time and money consuming to me.
Hi I don't agree with some and agree with others, I have over 100 square metres of wall, not including furniture which is expanding and contracting all the time so results will vary as you say. Recommending 80hz crossover has nothing to do with audyssey it's a thx setting, audyssey for me sets the crossover for each set of speakers at their lowest frequency range, its personal choice to change it. Schroeder for me doesn't work as well as full eq and I've read a lot of for and against. Audyssey came with the avr and all I have added is the app £20 and ratbuddyssey free, which let's me house curve each speaker individually, also as I have 2 mlp tv/projector it lets me easily change the calibrations. I like it. Let us know the results of your eq of your sub. Thanks.
 

Nobbler

Distinguished Member
And what version of Audyssey was that?

Perhaps that's why the process is called room equalisation....;)
Audyssey measures the speakers frequency capabilities. It will set the crossover low if the speaker can go low. Only by checking with something like REW can you see if that is better or should be changed.
80hz is a catchall which doesn't suit every room setup or speakers. My room results so far are showing between 100 to 120hz as having less nulls and a flatter response when testing front L/R and 2 subs all together.

I've been using the app in combination with ratbuddssey and checking the results with REW (Audyssey On and Off). Easy to see how good or not a job Audyssey is doing. One useful feature with ratbudyssey is looking at the results from the seperate readings which if tightly done can indicate if it might be worthwhile moving the MLP 6 inches to the side or forwards/backwards etc

Audyssey comes free with the AVR. The app is £20 so is definitely little money in the scheme of things.
Time needs something to fill it with....:)
So you had to buy another mic and add 2 sets of software to check and correct the software that comes with the receiver - I’d say that proves my point... :thumbsup:
 

doug56hl

Distinguished Member
So you had to buy another mic and add 2 sets of software to check and correct the software that comes with the receiver - I’d say that proves my point... :thumbsup:
Cheaper than an antimode....;)

I'd need another mic if I wanted to check and verify any room eq system whether it be Audyssey, Dirac, ARC etc. All of them just give their guess at to the results of using them. You can either accept their guess as gospel or decide to verify it for yourself (and if necessary tweek the eq iteratively to get the best result for your room.
 

Pugs1

Member
Hi, after creating loads of house curves using the app and ratbuddyssey here's one to try if you want, no evidence to back it up but it works for me. Mic positions, all relative to the mpl. 1, mpl, centre of head ear height. 2, three inches forward. 3, three inches up. 4, three inches up and forward. 5, three inches left. 6, three inches right. 7, six inches left. 8, six inches right. Taken from Audyssey MultEQ FAQ and Setup Guide Once the calibration is complete set speakers to small, crossovers to 80 and turn off mid range comp. Load it into ratbuddyssey and add 2/3 db or more if you want at 10db more than each speakers lowest frequency range including the sw. Example my centre is 68 to 20kh so set to 78hz. My sw is 35 so 45hz. Save and load back into the app then avr. To finish add the boost to the sw trim and for me I add 1db to the centre. I use flat with no dq and dv set at light. I also use full eq as it sounds better in my room than cutoffs. See what you think. All the best.
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That's the mic positions I have used last 3 or 4 years, seems the best IMHO👍. I will try your suggestion on the house curve for the fronts, did set as per sub but will try your way to ie 10db above the PMC FB1+ lf ranges (30hz + 10 [email protected]). Not applying curves to my other PMCs, just the stereo pair and sub. I do quite like the 6db boost for movies the BK really has some low chest rattling bass👍
 

Pugs1

Member
Quick question, found a Harmon house curve with the 6db boost. However, where would this applied, surely if on the sub, the general consensus is that the sub should only go up to 250HZ (Ratbuddy setting for sub). As can been seen below this curve continues on way passed 250HZ cut off

9.98753 5.99947
19.9501 5.99156
29.8697 5.95785
39.8505 5.86876
50.1876 5.6819
59.6648 5.40044
70.1184 4.96129
79.6016 4.46667
90.3672 3.84383
100.25 3.26654
109.938 2.73537
120.563 2.21982
130.699 1.80376
140.062 1.4842
150.096 1.20398
160.849 0.964491
180.509 0.651208
200.25 0.448594
219.602 0.318503
240.825 0.224409
261.071 0.164427
279.774 0.125629
299.817 0.0958133
321.296 0.0729731
400 0.0306274
20000.000 0
 

Tingo

Active Member
Hi, apply it to all the speakers but for the sub include the 261 setting and stop there, audyssey cuts the frequency range for the sub at 250.
 

Tingo

Active Member
Does it? What if you set the LPF to 120Hz...?
Lpf should be at 120hz, the sub only handles 20 to 120 if its set below that you lose the info upto 120. Audyssey cuts the frequency range for the sub at 250 I assume to leave some leeway, the idea of adding the points to 261 is so the end of the curve is going in the right direction. That's my take on it but I'm a beginner and could be wrong.
 

Tingo

Active Member
Quick question, found a Harmon house curve with the 6db boost. However, where would this applied, surely if on the sub, the general consensus is that the sub should only go up to 250HZ (Ratbuddy setting for sub). As can been seen below this curve continues on way passed 250HZ cut off

9.98753 5.99947
19.9501 5.99156
29.8697 5.95785
39.8505 5.86876
50.1876 5.6819
59.6648 5.40044
70.1184 4.96129
79.6016 4.46667
90.3672 3.84383
100.25 3.26654
109.938 2.73537
120.563 2.21982
130.699 1.80376
140.062 1.4842
150.096 1.20398
160.849 0.964491
180.509 0.651208
200.25 0.448594
219.602 0.318503
240.825 0.224409
261.071 0.164427
279.774 0.125629
299.817 0.0958133
321.296 0.0729731
400 0.0306274
20000.000 0
I would just add 6 at 20 and 50 and 0 at 400, load it add 6 to the sw adjust and see how it sounds. Other Harmon curves have 0 at 160 to 2000 or just 0 at 2000. They all create a similar curve.
 

Nobbler

Distinguished Member
There is nothing in the .1 LFE channel below 120HZ. That’s how films are mixed. Whatever point you set the LPF to is what goes to your sub. You can set the Schroeder to 350Hz but nothing above 120 will reach the sub.
 

Nobbler

Distinguished Member
I would just add 6 at 20 and 50 and 0 at 400, load it add 6 to the sw adjust and see how it sounds. Other Harmon curves have 0 at 160 to 2000 or just 0 at 2000. They all create a similar curve.
But what if the room is different to yours? I’m not trying to catch you out but you can’t advise one person to do something you would because it sounds better in your room.
It’s like selling a TV in the classifieds and staying it’s been professionally calibrated
 

Nobbler

Distinguished Member
The F in LPF stands for Filter - not frequency. You can set it to what you want but there’s nothing in the soundtrack on the disc it in the stream meant for the sub channel above 120Hz...
 

Tingo

Active Member
But what if the room is different to yours? I’m not trying to catch you out but you can’t advise one person to do something you would because it sounds better in your room.
It’s like selling a TV in the classifieds and staying it’s been professionally calibrated
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Hi,
But what if the room is different to yours? I’m not trying to catch you out but you can’t advise one person to do something you would because it sounds better in your room.
It’s like selling a TV in the classifieds and staying it’s been professionally calibrated
Hi, strange reply and wrong on so many levels.
 

nonsoloinglese

Well-known Member
I’m struggling to get my SR7012 to sound crisp with Audyssey. Reference muffles my dialogue while flat subdues my lower frequencies. Every other Audyssey setting turned off.

Debating whether to go back to Arc which sounded amazing without too much work.

I have got some acoustic panels arriving soon too which should help the reflection points.
 

russraff

Well-known Member
I’m struggling to get my SR7012 to sound crisp with Audyssey. Reference muffles my dialogue while flat subdues my lower frequencies. Every other Audyssey setting turned off.

Debating whether to go back to Arc which sounded amazing without too much work.

I have got some acoustic panels arriving soon too which should help the reflection points.
I'm sure that you have but you have removed the dialogue compensation in Audyssey? As it happens I still think that Marantz's in house sound is quite soft, especially vs Anthem.
 

Tingo

Active Member
I’m struggling to get my SR7012 to sound crisp with Audyssey. Reference muffles my dialogue while flat subdues my lower frequencies. Every other Audyssey setting turned off.

Debating whether to go back to Arc which sounded amazing without too much work.

I have got some acoustic panels arriving soon too which should help the reflection points.
Hi, try flat and dynamic volume light, also if you can adjust the lfe changing it to 80 from 120 is suppose to help with vocals.
 

Webbserver

Active Member
Hi, try flat and dynamic volume light, also if you can adjust the lfe changing it to 80 from 120 is suppose to help with vocals.
???
The frequency range for dialog intelligibility lies between 200Hz and 6.3kHz. Do not change the LFE from 120.
 

Nobbler

Distinguished Member
Hi, try flat and dynamic volume light, also if you can adjust the lfe changing it to 80 from 120 is suppose to help with vocals.
If the dialogue is coming through the sub then it’s seriously wired up wrong.
With all due respect mate you’re reading threads on other forums and taking it all as gospel. It appears you really have no hands on experience.
I’ve been installing Home Cinema systems for 20 years and have been a THX certified video calibrator since 2012.
You’re better off giving no advice than the wrong advice.
The LFE will have no bearing on the dialogue and what you actually mean is adjust the crossover...but don’t because it won’t work.
You need to try and angle the centre speaker more towards the listening position - possibly by propping up the front if it’s below your ear height.
Also go into the options menu and raise the centre channel volume level. Audyssey will compensate for the change in volume.
 

Nobbler

Distinguished Member
Lpf should be at 120hz, the sub only handles 20 to 120 if its set below that you lose the info upto 120. Audyssey cuts the frequency range for the sub at 250 I assume to leave some leeway, the idea of adding the points to 261 is so the end of the curve is going in the right direction. That's my take on it but I'm a beginner and could be wrong.
You see I’m not talking about the sub...I’m talking about the .1 Low Frequency Effect channel. There is no information in this channel above 120Hz. It’s just not on the track. If you set the CROSSOVER to 80Hz on a channel, any frequency below that will be crossed over to the sub. If you set the Low Pass Filter to above 120Hz then any intro from that frequency to 120Hz will be missing.
Some experts now say that setting the LPF to 100Hz works just as well though I leave mine at 120.
 

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