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Audigy 2 Connections

Discussion in 'Desktop & Laptop Computers Forum' started by ds_kerr, Dec 12, 2002.

  1. ds_kerr

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    Hi,

    I am building my HCPC and I purchased an Audigy 2 for audio output (will connect to my Sony STR-DB940).

    I guessed that SP/DIF would give the best quality output to the amp but I am stumped when it comes to finding a cable to connect it!

    Any suggestions? Is SP/DIF the way to go?

    The Audigy will be used purely for playing DVD's, mp3's etc, I will continue to use my standalone CD player for CD's.

    Thanks,
    Dave.
     
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    If you want to do it you'll need a 3.5mm male minijack-to-female RCA adapter...

    [​IMG]

    ...and a phono lead, or a 3.5mm minijack lead and a female 3.5mm minijack-to-male RCA adapter...

    [​IMG]

    MuFu.
     
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    The audigy 2 already has a pretty agood anologue to digital converter (apparently), so it may be preferable to use the anologue outputs, give it a try and see which sounds best. Also note that you will only get stereo (PCM) sounds out of the SPDIF unless you are playing a DVD that's encoded with DD or DTS. To make use of surround sound from games you have to use the anologue outputs.
     
  4. JSW

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    The analogue outputs are great :)

    DVD Audio discs sound superb, eax games too sound great.
     
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    Yes, I agree. I have mine hooked up to NAD Classic series integrated amps and it sounds superb. Better than the Sony STR-DB925 I had a while back by a huge margin (the Sony was absolutely BALLS for music it has to be said, hehe).

    It is also noticeably better than the Audigy (I had the Audigy Platinum before this but my dad bought it off me). The interesting thing is that a few sites (3D Soundsurge etc) are attributing this mostly to the drivers and apparently you can get the old Audigy almost 100% up to scratch by using it with the Audigy2 driver set.

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    Nice pics, JSW. :)

    Have you ever compared the Audigy2's decoded output with that of your receiver? I am contemplating selling one of my NAD amps and buying a Denon 3802 - DPLII and the fact that I can't use decent interconnects for 6.1 with the Audigy2 (no space on the back panel) being the most appealing factors. With no way of comparing them directly the decision is a tough one and would appreciate any input on how well the A2 processing stacks up against a <$1000 receiver.

    Thanks,

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    Having all those adapters can't be good, you should have a lead made up with the appropriate plugs, 3.5mm jack to male rca i should think, it'll cost you a tenner or so. It will likely be better than the audigy, but it would be interesting to hear the difference if any. You'll need 3 cambridge audio stereo 3.5mm jack to twin phono's for that, into the 6ch.inputs on your amp. Richer's sell them.
     
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    Wrong unless you only want 5.1 ;)

    Partly correct but you need 2 stereo 3.5mm jack to twin phono's for front l/r and rear l/r, then you need a 3.5mm jack to twin phono and video phono for centre, centre back and sub :)

    MuFu, I have watched several movies now with the sound through the audigy's analougue outputs and it is at worst = to my sony receiver :)
     
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    Well that is very comforting to hear, thanks. :D

    As for all the adaptors - there's only one (!) and I wouldn't worry about it at all for a digital connection. While it isn't true that an interconnect has absolutely no bearing on S/PDIF singal integrity/jitter introduction, the use of such adaptors will not deteriorate the signal in any noticeable way. Jitter errors will be governed primarily by the ADC/DAC stages. Of course, a custom-made lead is more elegant.

    JSW, the DB940 only supports 5.1 input so he's right there. I'd be inclined to use the analogue output of the Audigy2 instead of the digital link as well, given my impressions so far. :)

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    JSW, no centre back input on the Sony amp, is the audigy not front centre and sub on one stereo jack? It won't work with most of creative's and anyone else's PC speakers unless it is.
     
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    Sorry missed that.

    Yes it will work fine for 5.1 as its the vid phono that does the centre back.

    the 3 x 3.5mm connections are:

    Front L/R

    Rear L/R

    Sub/centre/rear centre

    You can use a standard 3.5mm to twin phono on that last one and forgo the rear centre channel.

    Cheers
    Bry
     
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    I need to find some of these as well. The three connection one is the wierdest.

    Anyone know more they're all wired.

    Also I found 5m phono extension at B & Q for £3
     
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    I thought I saw 3 way jack plugs at Maplin, but they were cheapo ones and you couldn't fit 3 lots of normal wire through the hole, i suppose you need a 3 core sheilded cable. When I first had a Soundblaster live, I had to use a file to remove some of the plastic round the plug so I could get all 5 plugs into the card, otherwise they were too close and wouldn't fit!
     
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    The Audigy/2 is the same. I had a good ol' grumble about that last week: http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56973 :mad:

    As for adaptors, this is the Maplin one...

    [​IMG]

    They also do a separate 4-pole jack...

    [​IMG]

    Doesn't look as if that'd be any use as cybersoga said.

    Euronetwork.co.uk have this...

    [​IMG]

    They are pretty cheap adaptors but I think I'll get a couple to play with. If they sound no worse than a fully shielded model I don't see the problem.

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    You seem to be stuck if you want the 3-way lead. Has anyone tried the creative shop? Now they're in with Lucasarts and the THX scene, you'd think they might start doing quality stuff for their own boards at least.
     
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    Doh, I just noticed that they're all 4-pole minijack-to-male RCA. That's a pain. :(

    JSW, have you made up a custom lead?

    I can verify that a standard 3-pole adaptor works with the 4-pole centre/sub output because that is the arrangement I am using right now.

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    Creative shop will sell you the digital adapter, jack to RCA, it's about £9, sounds reasonable. Link to creative shop at the page. God knows why there's a pic. of a USB lead sitting there too!
     
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    Found some at ANtics - just need 2 more B & Q 5m extensions
     
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    These are the best 3.5mm to 2 phono i've seen: [​IMG]

    This is the 4 pole: [​IMG]
     
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    Thanks for the replys folks!

    Reading the thread, the way to go seems to be 3 3.5mm Minijacks -> 2 phono leads.

    Lets hope I can fit 3 of these into the 3 connections on the card :)

    JSW, your last post seems to show the leads I am looking for, any idea's where I can get them? I'll probably go down to Richer Sounds tomorrow and see if they have them.

    Thanks,
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    I'll head to Maplins then :)

    Thanks.
     
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    Those thor plugs are going to be too big to get more than one into the audigy methinks.
     
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    Hmm... yeah, maybe. Definitely wouldn't fit in the Audigy 2 by a long way. Here are the cards side by side for comparison (sorry about the sh!tty pic):

    [​IMG]

    I dunno... it'd be close, that's for sure.

    MuFu.

    P.S. Look how close the outputs are on the A2!!! :eek: :mad:
     
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    Platinum audigy card solves this, but then you might as well have paid for the M-Audio:mad:
     
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    Now you have got me thinking :)

    All I want is a soundcard that will output good quality audio to my Sony STR-DB940 amp and Anthony Gallo speakers. I guess the soundcard would not have to do any actual surround-sound decoding (done by the amp).

    I will be listening to mp3's, DVD-Audio and DD/DTS DVD's from the HTPC. My budget was ~150 pounds for a soundcard to do this, I cannot fit a Audigy 2 Platinum into my HTPC as it is a Shuttle XPC (very popular with the missus as it is small).

    Should I ditch the Audigy 2 and go with something else? I can put the Audigy 2 in another PC I am building for my brother.

    Thanks,
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    p.s. I think I just took this thread off topic ;)
     
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    Most of the smart thinking here says the M-Audio is the way to go, see HCPC spec. sticky. Output is definitely ahead of creative still, though they are making great progress in catching up. The difference is partly that they are designed for the audiophile maket, do not have the environmental audio stuff, not as good for gaming then. Horses for courses, if you can run 2 top line PC's then why not do that.
     
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    But can you play DVD Audio discs with the m audio ?
    I don't think so.

    I wanted that because if it was at least as good as my tosh 900, which it is btw :) then it saves having to go into the tosh's setup menu every time I want to play a DVD A disc.
     
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    The DVD-audio issue is simply one of software, isn't it? Creative have produced a DVD-A player, I expect it only works with their cards, but it's only a matter of time before someone more accommodating does it. Perhaps when there's a bit more software, not just Irish family pop/folk acts, not that I mind them. Come to think of it, they're well worth DVD video....
     

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