attaching tv wall mount to brick wall?

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  1. WeegyAVLover

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    Hi All,

    I know that this should go into the wall mount / bracket section but it does seem very quiet over there. I am also not really looking for "what bracket" should I go for information, I have kind of already decided that. What I want to know is how am I best attaching the bracket / TV to the wall.

    It is a solid brick (as opposed to this fluid, unstable ones you get :p) wall with a layer of plaster about 1" thick (it might not be plaster in the traditional sense as my house is circa 1890 - so maybe some kind of render with plaster over the top and may have been done long after the house was built).

    I have 10 x 4" screws and my plan was drill the holes for bracket and use these screws. Obviously I have wallplugs. Links to both are below:

    10 x 4" Screws - Screwfix
    Wall Plugs Brown 4.5 - 6mm Drill Diameter 7mm - Screwfix

    What do you think:
    Are the screws suitable?
    Are there other options vastly better?
    I assume I do not need any wooden batons imbedded in the wall?

    Thanks
    Col
     
  2. John

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    Does the wall mount /bracket not come with any fixings?

    I always use the mounts from TLC and they come with all the hardware you need. :smashin:

    Plasma & LCD TV / Monitor Brackets

    Personally, I prefer the bolts they provide rather than screws. Less risk of wearing the heads out as you tighten them up.
     
  4. aerodynamic18

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    Get wrall bolts. They are bolts with a metal cylinder type thing round the outside that expands as u tighten. If u use them the only way it's coming off is if the wall falls down. They are awesome :)
     
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    Threads like this always invite over-engineering. I suppose there is nothing wrong with over-engineering putting using massive fixings only adds a few quid to a project costing £100s.

    But realistically 10 x 4" screws into brick is fine - reckon you could safely hang a mini cooper from that.

    No battens - just go into the wall.

    Cheers,

    Nigel
     
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    as you say , nothing wrong with it , and if i was going to hang a £1000 tv on a wall i would overengineer it so much the forth bridge would have nothing on it :rotfl:
     
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    One thing you haven't said is what size and weight is the TV. If it's a 60" plasma you may want heavier duty fixings than for a 32" LCD.
     
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    good point ...........
     
  10. loz

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    Modern displays are so thin a picture hook ought to do. :D

    The latest ultra slim mounts aren't that far off..
     
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    Those^^^ or similar 'shield anchors' AKA expansion bolts, or also look at thunderbolts (masonry equivalent to self tapping bolts). At a couple of quid for a dozen or so....how much is your telly worth? Or what/who is it going to drop on?

    That said, I don't think you have told us what size / weight the TV or what type of mount (eg a cantilever/swing bracket will need stronger mounts than a non adjustable one).

    You said you had 10x4" screws, I'm assuming that you are talking about size 10 screws (about 5-6mm from memory). How many do you intend to use?

    Personally I would not hang a TV on plastic 'rawl' plugs, not on old brickwork, and the plugs you listed are probably not long enough to take a 4" screw, those are about 2" long.
     
  12. DR Kronenbourg

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    Use thunderbolts, amazing for heavy loads, my gates are easy over 100kg each and I have three on each gate holding them up, you get all different sizes, perfect for hanging a big tv into brickwork.

    What is Thunderbolt?

    Believe me once there in nothing's moving.
     
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    What does "the substrate becoming the nut to the bolt" on the link mean - how can substrate "become" a nut?:confused:

    I don't really understand why this is a question at all - all you do is use the fittings - including bolts, not those screws - that come with the bracket to fix it to the wall.
     
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    That was my point earlier. Every mount I have purchased came with suitable fittings. (and always bolts not screws)
     
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    Simply because not all fittings are suitable for all walls and the OP is wisely asking what would be best to fit to a wall with an inch thick of plaster over the brickwork. I really don't understand why that is a problem at all :D
     
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    All you pessimists should go and check your kitchen cupboards. Full of tins and crockery, weighing more than a flat screen, bet they re attached to the wall with a lot less than the OP is suggesting.

    Cheers,

    Nigel
     
  17. WeegyAVLover

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    Holy crap... I looked At this about 2hrs ago before leaving work & thought "okay will deal with points when I get home!" now there are loads of posts. Need to read them all properly later as heading out now again.

    Quick point i seen raised. My TV is a 42" Panasonic TH42PZ81 plasma so not a light LCD or LED i think it weighs about 30kg.. Could be wrong.

    Also not looked at the wall mounts from TLC - do the do the brackets that allow the TV to come out from the wall?

    I would like a bracket that does this but not sure what they are called? Also would this have any bearing on what to fix the bracket to the wall with?
     
  18. loz

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    Do you mean a cantilever one? Premiere LCD / Plasma Cantilever Bracket 32 Inch - 50 Inch

    I used a TLC non-cantilever premier model to mount a Panasonic TH42PZ81. It was perfect for the job.

    If you do intend using a cantilever mount then you most certainly will want stong fixings as you are going to be putting a lot more strain on the mount, especially with a fairly heavy plasma model like that.
     
  19. DR Kronenbourg

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    The bracket I bought came with fixings to fix to plaster and 4x2, there was nothing in there that I would confidently fix to brick/block work through which sounds like laughing plaster! In fact even they fixings I exchanged for my own.
     
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    If a cantilever mount then you need some heft bolts because,

    1) the bracket that connects to the wall are usually small so the screws/bolts will be close together rather than distributed

    2) more importantly, the weight of the plasma on the end of the arm will be a huge turning moment on the bracket. The bracket will experience the equivent weight of more than one TV, plus it will be a turning/levering action rather than pulling straight down.

    Cheers,

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  21. Sonic67

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    Make sure you are fixed into the brick and not the plaster. Tap the wall plugs in a bit. Part screw a screw in and tap the screw with a hammer. The screw and wall plug should be gripping the brick work. After that I take the view if I can hang off the bracket so can a TV.
     
  22. loz

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    Mine came with all these

    [​IMG]

    Including very sturdy bolts
     
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    Yeah that looks about right, the ones marked O in your pic look rather more substantial than came in mine, saying that I still wouldn't recommend them for going through laughing plaster into masonry personally, I wouldn't feel confident enough that you would have caught enough of the brickwork.
     
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    My standard fixing stuff is left over from my Sky days. So that's 6 Sky dish bolts and 6 plugs.

    Used that to hang my TV and its good enough to swing off.
     
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    Well I used them to fix mine, now holding a 50" plasma

    [​IMG]

    Honestly, they are in there so solid they feel like the house would fall down before they came out of the wall
     
  26. WeegyAVLover

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    Hey All thanks for the replies.

    I am thinking about a Cantilever (if that is the right terminology for what I want) as all my cables will be recessed and coming out of a brush plate behind the tv. I thought it would make it easier and more straight-forward to have a cantiliver so that I can access the cables (if needed) easily without having to take the TV off the wall or stuggle to reach behind to access cables.

    I will not be pulling the tv out from the wall on a daily basis or anything like that. If this is over engineering then fine. However I am not going to have loads of cable on show at the back of the tv and as I am usually a one man show (only wife about to help) holding a 30KG TV up while trying to disconnect a cable might be more tricky than I would like.

    If my 10x4 screws are no good then fine and if anchor screws or thunderbolts are what I need then I will check them out. Can someone give me a quick idiots guide on how they work... ?

    I have found a couple of builder Suppliers close to me that do thunderbolts so I make take a dander down on Saturday (if they are open - maybe not) and see if they can advise.

    As for why I asked the question. I always got told that the screws and fittings that are supplied with pre-packaged stuff are not always suitable for every house wall and as I have a fairly old house it is less likely they would cater for my type of house compared to more modern built houses with cavity walls, etc.

    I like the look of the TLC bracket and was round the price range I was looking at on other sites.
     
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    I ended up with a tilt bracket in the end because my amp takes all the inputs and the TV only needed one HDMI lead into it from the amp. Was a bit of a fiddle before I got the amp though, but only a few times and a head torch helped.

    The amp in your sig looks like it will do the same.
     
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    a lot of tv's now, well the expensive ones, have most connections on the side so shouldnt be a problem
     
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    We had an old 40" Tv and old Cantilever - The Cantiliver must have weighted 10kg and the TV 20 or more.

    Anyway the bolts I used were hefty ( I think 10mm as I remember having to use a 10mm socket and wrench to tighten).

    Last Xmas we moved the Sofa's around for the real tree we had and thus the TV was pulled out and pushed in a fair few times. In the end the rawl plugs perished and the bracket came away from the wall and sadly the TV kissed the corner of the Sky box on the TV stand and broke the screen.

    Since then it's been flat brackets all the way.
     

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