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markymiles
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Wow, this is news?
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Waste of time my trying to be subtle in the first reply, should have waited for you
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This is a useful article on Room Perfect, thank-you for taking the time to walk through the details of what it is and what it does.
Agree with @Apollo that it would also be great to get views on how the various other room calibration system compare to Room Perfect and each other e.g. YPAO, ARC Genesis, Dirac and Room Perfect are four systems I've heard of.
My experience using YPAO some years ago with a Yamaha 3060 AVR and most recently using Room Perfect has been that both were reasonably straightforward in their setup out the box, whereas Dirac felt like something that potentially is better getting some training on or perhaps getting a calibrator in to setup to get the best results?
In terms of Room Perfect itself, all I can say is how easy it has been to get some truly fantastic results. As a system, it is very easy to recommend for those that want something that 'just works' and don't have the time / or know how to get a calibration with the best results with little effort.
When I tried using Dirac over the last year or so, I really struggled as I was never quite sure if it had been setup 'properly' (in terms of how to apply / use various harman or nad 'curves', how best to adjust the peaks and troughs (believe the approach having spoken to Arcam is to try and get a mid point between the curve and the speaker response) or how much to best apply with the 'curtain's - some folk advised focussing upto 500 hz, other's advised full range, etc.
Does anyone have a view on how much impact background noise (e.g. road noise) can have with Room Perfect (and other room calibration systems)? Are they able to identify/ ignore the noise, etc or is it best doing calibrations late at night when it's quieter?
Agree with @Apollo that it would also be great to get views on how the various other room calibration system compare to Room Perfect and each other e.g. YPAO, ARC Genesis, Dirac and Room Perfect are four systems I've heard of.
My experience using YPAO some years ago with a Yamaha 3060 AVR and most recently using Room Perfect has been that both were reasonably straightforward in their setup out the box, whereas Dirac felt like something that potentially is better getting some training on or perhaps getting a calibrator in to setup to get the best results?
In terms of Room Perfect itself, all I can say is how easy it has been to get some truly fantastic results. As a system, it is very easy to recommend for those that want something that 'just works' and don't have the time / or know how to get a calibration with the best results with little effort.
When I tried using Dirac over the last year or so, I really struggled as I was never quite sure if it had been setup 'properly' (in terms of how to apply / use various harman or nad 'curves', how best to adjust the peaks and troughs (believe the approach having spoken to Arcam is to try and get a mid point between the curve and the speaker response) or how much to best apply with the 'curtain's - some folk advised focussing upto 500 hz, other's advised full range, etc.
Does anyone have a view on how much impact background noise (e.g. road noise) can have with Room Perfect (and other room calibration systems)? Are they able to identify/ ignore the noise, etc or is it best doing calibrations late at night when it's quieter?
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mb3195
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always best to have your noise floor as low as possible.
most EQ systems will ask you to adjust the volume up to a certain level above the noise floor, but the quieter the better.
On my trinnov, as my noise floor is so quiet, even my AC on the quietest setting causes a failure when trying to EQ the subs (my ac kicks out a constant frequency hum of around 75hz)
Rock Danger
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I've had to do a lot of messing around recently, due to new Lyngdorf firmware which has now expanded on several things, like DTS:X Pro and mapping fixed channels to other things.
The bottom line was that, I put my speakers at their optimal settings, which is backed by REW. Then this time used the sub adjust feature, which I believed to be broken, it made me turn my subs down a fair bit and yet I still have loads of it.
So far I have observed and found that you can do a Room Perfect calibration fairly easily and then after that you can create and edit your voicings using filters and PEQ and after all that there is still a variable bass and treble control.
So just how complicated and easy do you want it? Because it can be both. It's also pretty consistent across types of room with the 2ch music stuff and the multi channel.
I know that both Steve and Phil use it as their go to system and they've had their hands on everything.
I don't actually care about any of the black magic in it or anything else about it - I want it to work and it does. There is nothing stopping me at any time from changing to something that is demonstrably better.
Dirac is not created equal on all AVR's and Processors, the sheer amount of posts on people struggling with bugs and simply not knowing what to do is plentiful.
ARC seems to work fine from when I've used it, pretty good, I believe that Genesis and the new Genesis better again. Certainly it's birth mother originally from Martin Logan, PBK was testament to that.
I have seen TEQ setup a long time ago, but haven't heard an end result yet that wowed me to even consider changing - as soon as it does I may just do that, it's one quick phone call away.
The stupid comments (now mod edited out) so far are just that - if anyone's a fan boy it's those who ignore overwhelming evidence by incredibly talented audio engineers and experienced end users of AV equipment. Maybe it's easier to try and run someone's credibility down rather than deal with your own ignorance.
Nothing will work 100% for everyone but ime RP is right up there.
The bottom line was that, I put my speakers at their optimal settings, which is backed by REW. Then this time used the sub adjust feature, which I believed to be broken, it made me turn my subs down a fair bit and yet I still have loads of it.
So far I have observed and found that you can do a Room Perfect calibration fairly easily and then after that you can create and edit your voicings using filters and PEQ and after all that there is still a variable bass and treble control.
So just how complicated and easy do you want it? Because it can be both. It's also pretty consistent across types of room with the 2ch music stuff and the multi channel.
I know that both Steve and Phil use it as their go to system and they've had their hands on everything.
I don't actually care about any of the black magic in it or anything else about it - I want it to work and it does. There is nothing stopping me at any time from changing to something that is demonstrably better.
Dirac is not created equal on all AVR's and Processors, the sheer amount of posts on people struggling with bugs and simply not knowing what to do is plentiful.
ARC seems to work fine from when I've used it, pretty good, I believe that Genesis and the new Genesis better again. Certainly it's birth mother originally from Martin Logan, PBK was testament to that.
I have seen TEQ setup a long time ago, but haven't heard an end result yet that wowed me to even consider changing - as soon as it does I may just do that, it's one quick phone call away.
The stupid comments (now mod edited out) so far are just that - if anyone's a fan boy it's those who ignore overwhelming evidence by incredibly talented audio engineers and experienced end users of AV equipment. Maybe it's easier to try and run someone's credibility down rather than deal with your own ignorance.
Nothing will work 100% for everyone but ime RP is right up there.
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ggwoodland
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Yes I agree I've used YPAO, Audyssey, Dirac and now RP. I found RP the easiest to get consistent results which are the best sounding in my room.
Now Lyngdorf have published some further info on voicings I am having a go with those as I did miss the 4db Harman curves in Dirac. With Voicings it is pretty easy to replicate some tweaks to your sound.
But it would be good to see Lyngdorf continuously improve RP as it is one of the better EQ systems out there but Dirac is improving fast. I was happy with the enhancements in Dirac from version 1 to version 2 and I jumped ship before v3. So even if you are top of your game you always need to improve - George
Now Lyngdorf have published some further info on voicings I am having a go with those as I did miss the 4db Harman curves in Dirac. With Voicings it is pretty easy to replicate some tweaks to your sound.
But it would be good to see Lyngdorf continuously improve RP as it is one of the better EQ systems out there but Dirac is improving fast. I was happy with the enhancements in Dirac from version 1 to version 2 and I jumped ship before v3. So even if you are top of your game you always need to improve - George
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Steve356
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I spent over 3 years trying to get Dirac to work for me in my room without success. It was OK for surround on movies, but I could never get it to work to my satisfaction on stereo music. Also tried Audyssey (Marantz and Denon) and ARC Genesis, but again, I didn't think music was as good as it could be. I lost count of the amount of times I was messing around with Dirac curves, seeming at times to be all I was doing instead of actually enjoying stuff. As I'm typically 50/50 for music and movies, it was important for me to get something that would work across both and perform consistently.
Enter RoomPerfect and the issue was solved. I get consistent performance on both music (stereo and surround) and movies. Personally, I don't find the need to mess around with any measurements or voicings, but they are there at the touch of a button if I need them. I've just been sitting back and enjoying my system without any tinkering since early last year. Job done!
Haven't heard a Trinnov system and TEQ, so will have to do that when Covid restrictions allow, but I'm not in any hurry. It will be more out of interest than anything else.
Enter RoomPerfect and the issue was solved. I get consistent performance on both music (stereo and surround) and movies. Personally, I don't find the need to mess around with any measurements or voicings, but they are there at the touch of a button if I need them. I've just been sitting back and enjoying my system without any tinkering since early last year. Job done!
Haven't heard a Trinnov system and TEQ, so will have to do that when Covid restrictions allow, but I'm not in any hurry. It will be more out of interest than anything else.
Rock Danger
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If we have our rabies shots by then, I'll see if I can work it to get a cup of tea with you and good old man moan about kids today etc.
SoundVision
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I just sit and close my eyes, get lost in the music, never get bothered about room correction setup, happy with my stereo setup's sound in my room
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RoomPerfect is our room correction of choice.
Whether it be on Steinway, Lyngdorf or McIntosh products.
We have calibrated and installed countless stereo, media and cinema rooms with RoomPerfect.
The results are consistent every time no matter the speaker and subwoofers used.
Another blessing of RoomPerfect is the lack of room treatment that is required. This in alone can provide spectacular results over other EQ systems.
Once our showroom expansion is finished we will have 8 separate systems calibrated using RoomPerfect from a full blown cinema room, invisible plaster over 2.1 channel speaker systems and two Steinway stereo systems.
We also have TEQ and ARC GENESIS systems on demonstration.
Whether it be on Steinway, Lyngdorf or McIntosh products.
We have calibrated and installed countless stereo, media and cinema rooms with RoomPerfect.
The results are consistent every time no matter the speaker and subwoofers used.
Another blessing of RoomPerfect is the lack of room treatment that is required. This in alone can provide spectacular results over other EQ systems.
Once our showroom expansion is finished we will have 8 separate systems calibrated using RoomPerfect from a full blown cinema room, invisible plaster over 2.1 channel speaker systems and two Steinway stereo systems.
We also have TEQ and ARC GENESIS systems on demonstration.
Was this a sponsored article / promotion ? I assume so ?
It doesn't say it is. Why do you assume it is?
Zombie Twin
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I have only used onboard calibration once, and that was enough for me.
I had an Onkyo receiver, and after installing the cabling and trying to play things by ear, I thought "sod it", and decided to give their (later much-maligned) AccuEq system a go. After letting it rip, the results were not pleasing at all, with the front left & right seemingly lower than everything else. I decided to go back to the settings I had already worked out - but they now sounded crap. I decided on a factory-reset to go back to the start, but discovered that the front left & right were permanently operating at lower/muddier level than everything else. I tested the speakers on another amp, and they were fine.
The AccuEQ had damaged the receiver!
After 3 weeks of being given the runaround by Onkyo's useless customer service, I'd had enough. The engineers recommended by most manufacturers when inspecting faulty units are no better than the old National Service doctors: two of everything you are supposed to have two of, and you are graded as fit and healthy. I ended up getting a Sony 1080, and haven't bothered using auto-calibration on it.
I had an Onkyo receiver, and after installing the cabling and trying to play things by ear, I thought "sod it", and decided to give their (later much-maligned) AccuEq system a go. After letting it rip, the results were not pleasing at all, with the front left & right seemingly lower than everything else. I decided to go back to the settings I had already worked out - but they now sounded crap. I decided on a factory-reset to go back to the start, but discovered that the front left & right were permanently operating at lower/muddier level than everything else. I tested the speakers on another amp, and they were fine.
The AccuEQ had damaged the receiver!
After 3 weeks of being given the runaround by Onkyo's useless customer service, I'd had enough. The engineers recommended by most manufacturers when inspecting faulty units are no better than the old National Service doctors: two of everything you are supposed to have two of, and you are graded as fit and healthy. I ended up getting a Sony 1080, and haven't bothered using auto-calibration on it.
MI55ION
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Same reason one would assume it isn't?
Rock Danger
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Not sure whether it matters? He also does work for HCC - I don't think he's paid in hugs. The veiled 'he's getting paid and therefore lies' comments aren't very subtle.
Anyone can write a review on anything here, or article in this case.
Anyone can write a review on anything here, or article in this case.
As it doesn't say it is sponsored it would be more than reasonable to assume it isn't sponsored - the question was why someone thought an un-sponsored article was sponsored
It read very much like an advertorial and there wasn't a great deal of point in it otherwise ? It doesn't matter to me but it might matter to someone else who believes that there is some magical exclusive solution to EQ and that a 9.2.4 set up in a small bedroom with magically transform into a stadium with RP !
Rock Danger
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So there's no point in it because you say so? Can't agree with that, what about everyone else who reads it, finds it useful in their decision making process?
Not sure where you get these scenarios or small bedrooms and stadium sounds either, it's completely not the point of the article. As far as how room corrections generally operate, it is exclusive in the way it's been designed and how it's deployed, it's the very reason it has so many patents.
Sure, results may vary but yet to see anyone achieving the same success and consistency rate, with the least amount of headache.
Steve356
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Sponsored/promoted by whom do you suspect?
It is generally considered good journalistic ethics to identify if content is sponsored.
I can assure you however the vast majority of contents in a British newspaper are stories that have been 'handed' to favourable journalists by people you will never see named in print.
I can assure you however the vast majority of contents in a British newspaper are stories that have been 'handed' to favourable journalists by people you will never see named in print.
ggwoodland
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My my we are a suspicious lot. On both the US and U.K. AV forums subscribers request additional info on Room EQ systems and when one is written motives are doubted. I agree in the name of balance other EQ systems should be reviewed especially with the importance on Room EQ in AV systems.
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