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Argentina and all of South America was indeed a British creation

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  1. la gran siete

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    Unfortunately, there are almost two generations of British and Argentine citizens who have forgotten, have not studied, or are not aware of how close these two countries once were.
     
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    Thank you for reminding me. I will not forget again.
     
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    ....which is why they all speak Spanish or Portuguese. I'm sure Magellan, Cortes and Pizarro were sterling British blokes :clown:.
     
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    Ever since they cancelled the monthly Concorde flight, they are now much further away.
     
  5. la gran siete

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    See there was this geezer by the name of Thomas Maitlnd who devised this plan to take S.A. from Spain, a plan that was put into effect during the Napoleonics wars .An expeditionary force of 1600 men was sent down to Buenos Aires in 1806 the aim being to recruit colonials to cross the Andes kick the Spaniards out of Chile 'sail to Lima( the main colonial city) and defeat the Spanish. A second force would come down from Venezuela and catch the Spanish in a pinza movement. Arrogance beyond belief ! What ever made them believe that the Creoles ( as the Argies were then known )would simply welcome these ingleses who were seen as pirates and ,even worse, heathen protestants.Although they were by then thinking in terms of independence ,as they say, a devil you know is better than one you dont, so the inglese cochinos were kicked in the culos not once but twice,ie 1806 and 1807. Heh heh!
    Anyway the last laugh belonged to the ingleses because they put plan b) into operation which was the same as plan a) except they would use creole forces under the command of SAN Martin, Simon Bolivar, Bernardo O'higgins and others.These guys all met in a masonic lodge in London where the liberation plans were discussed.
    Simon Bolivar is credited as the main liberator . WRONG! he liberated Venezuela , Colombia Ecuador and Bolivia.San Martin who had been a brilliant officer in the Spanish army is the man who freed the whole of Argentina ( as it became known)crossed the andes and freed Peru ( with the help of O'Higgins) and then sailed to Peru and freed that lot.He then left disillusioned and moved t o Boulogne , France,where he lived his last years .
    So Britain got what it wanted all along namely a huge trading area nicely parceled into smaller nations- divide and rule!500000 brits moved to Argie, infrastructure including railnetwork built by the Brits.
    Buenos Aires boasts a number of British landmarks including a torre ingles( English tower),lawn tennis clubs, rowing clubs, Hurlingham club( very posh), a number of rugby clubs , various British schools. There was even until recently a Harrods store there.
    Of course no one gives a flying fig for any of this unless one happens to be an ANGLOARGIE like me.
     
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    "crossed the andes and freed Chile"
     
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    Two thiungs wrecked what uptill then beenm very good relations . One - Domingo Peron the nationalist who first sided with the Nazis during the war and then subsequently proceeded to nationalise British interests( probably encourged by America)the foot and mouth ban of the sixties which was completely bogus as there was nothing wrong with Argie beef, and Britain joining the common market.
     
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    Where's the andes?
     
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    At the end of your wristies



    :laugh:
     
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    I will continue to be ambivalent for as long as your posts look like they've been written by a Saudi car thief.
     
  12. la gran siete

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    not far from the Peak district
     
  13. la gran siete

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    At least you have something approaching a sense of humour :)
     
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    in fact they tried to blame some argie frozen lamb( from establsishment 1408) for the outbreak of 1967/68. No concrete proof whatsoever
     
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    LGS, unfortunately SA is more a Spanish legacy and as such is one of the reasons for the lack of success of that continent compared to former British colonies.

    The latin American countries have not had the benefit of the benign ownership and direction that have benefited the Commonwealth countries today.

    The obsessive rule and oppression of the Roman Catholic religion has also held SA back from the development which should have been theirs and helped to foster over population and poverty.

    The Spanish and portugese also failed to leave the traditions of democracy which have lasted in many of the former Empire countries. I don't believe there is much of a connection between Britain and Argentina, other than the fact that Mrs Thatcher and the boys of the Task Force in 1982 cleared the way for democracy to finally have a chance in Argentina by crushing the Junta (did they ever remember to thank us for that by the way? )
     
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    Zimbabwe ?
     
  17. la gran siete

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    There is obviuosly more of a Spanish legacy in SA but you are wrong in saying thre was not much of a cxonnection between our two countries. Read:
    The Forgotten Colony: A History Of The English-Speaking Communities In Argentina
    Andrew Graham-Yooll
    Latin America - South America
    or a few books in here

    http://www.thebookplace.com/lola/default.asp
     
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    I think alot of people nowadays don't know much about Argentina because on the the scale of things it is not considered an 'important' country - within world politics.

    Most people will think of Argentina as the place we had to slap about about for being stupid during the Falklands War, and that county that cheats at football.

    ask most British people who the most famous Argentinian is - they will probably say that fat little drug abusing football cheat.

    Its very hard to get past the general publics apathy and dissinterest.
     
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    I think Smelly has relatives in Patagonia.........

    By the way, I suspect the whole point of this thread was to evoke response from E G. Why not save it for the boxing ring :)

    Kempes was a good footballer - however, a world cup wonder!!!
     
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    Dont get me on the football thing. There are two sides you know and the Argies have felt aggrieved since the infamous quartefinal in 1966 when Ramsey called them animals.The name Nobby Stiles( hatchet man) still rolls off their lips.Cheats ?Err name me side that doesnt .They got their rtevenge first with Man U getting kicked off the park by Estudiantes in 1968 and then in 1986 Mexico ( the very well executed hand of God).Maradona is a tragedy equalling Best, but he is still revered by his fans.
     
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    at the turn of the 20 th century it was the seventh richest country on earth but due to mismangement and corruption has slid to its current status.It just lurches from crises to crises .
    Maybe we should attempt a third invasion :devil:
     
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    They won't be scared - Blair has had the Sea Harriers withdrawn from service :mad:
     
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    there was a report last week that a group of Argie senators wanted to report Thatcher for war crimes during the Falklands....can you believe that ?
    maybe we should threaten to put the military Junta back in power, see how they like that !
     
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    There is a minority who feel that way but the rest take with a pinch of salt. Getting rid of the junta was the best thing for them no doubt and as I said most dont blame us but rather blame the Junta for making them believe it was a situation they could win and then subsequently losing all those young lives in the war.
     
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    The Junta must have been fairly big....as I remember seeing pictures of hundreds of thousands of Argies crowding Buenos Aires cheering at the retaking of the Falklands......countries tend to get the 'Government they deserve'
     
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    At THAT particular time they did . Galtieri struck a populist chord when the invasion took place and led the masses believe the islands were theirs forever. As I said before the vast majority believe the islands are rightfully theirs but not to the extent of sacrficing many young lives - all for nothing. They dont begrudge us as I and many other Brits who have visited there can testify. Of course there are a few who do though.
    As for Government they deserve . Does that mean NI deserves none?If thats the case maybe we should pull our forces out and bar the Unionists from Parliament then that ghastly bigot Paisley and his cohorts can come to their senses
     
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    Zimbabwe ?
     
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    |Thats twice ! But you have a point.
    It was a rather arrogant patronising comment he made there.For all their faults I can hardly believe the Argies deserved a Junta that was responsible for the disapperance of over 30000 people and brought misery to thousands.
     
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    I can't understand why Britain and Argentina bothered to fight over the Falklands in the first place?

    Seems a pretty useless rock that's always shrouded in fog to me....... :lease:
     

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