Amazing thanks for this, it’s very helpful.Emotiva bas-x.7 channel is £800 and probably slightly better than a flagship AV. Probably not the massive jump but benefit of being seperates so you could reuse as other channels another system etc
You could get avr plus one of those using that for mains or surrounds (which frees up power for remaining) or buy a combination to get 11 with at-300.
Or Denon 3700 with emotiva xpa three channel for front three.
You have lots of options it really depends long term plans how much you're into the hobby.
Simplest would be a avr.
Extreme layout would be trinnov altitude 32 AV pre amp with eleven monoblocs,.or even double that to go bicamping, with getting speakers concerted with active crossovers like Linn aktiv, with a stereo analogue pre amp /or stereo pre amp with room correction and with HT bypass and stereo dac
With anything in between those two.
Personally I wouldn't buy a flagship avr you're paying £2000 and within couple of years the hdmi section is missing features you want...ie with 120hz vrr at 4k all those expensive avr and AV pre are now worthless as people want it for console gaming. So you have to buy new flagship avr to get same Poweramp quality as before losing money on a perfectly good Poweramp avr section.
Even my new AV pre is already out of date but at least I can replace that if I want console gaming, and it wasn't insanely expensive.
Arendel are also 4 ohm speakers, mine are also, I found 4 ohm speakers a bit woeful when driven by avrs.
I'm using 5 X 300, 2 X 200 and 4 X 70w power amps ( four amp boxes) I can change the AV out anytime and I still have the amps. Those 200/300 beasts will outclass any flagship avr, and will keep for 20 years.. I've changed my AV pre from
Audiolab 8000s, then 8000q with 8000pxs and sxs
Yamaha DSP e800
And I'm still using the power amps from in audiolab and e800 era in this and different system, re jigged them sold a couple to fund the big 200w beasts fancied more power in lesser number of boxes (HT amps rather stereo amps) but in practice could still be using the 100w amps in exactly same position. And I'm still using two px amps and two sx amps.
Whereas that e800 is is in digital heaven.
Amazing thanks for this, it’s very helpful.
Will the power of the amp impact the clarity, or does it just allow to speakers to play sound at a higher volume? Sorry it’s a totally rookie question, but it certainly sounds like I should be looking at separates if so …I just have the headache of where to house them to overcome then
The key question here is how loud do you like to listen as this is the single biggest factor in determining how much amplifier power you will need in your system e.g. if you listen only 3dB below someone else then you literally only need 50% of the power, 6dB below only 25% of the power, 10dB below then only 10% of the power, 20dB below only 1% of the power. The second biggest factor is the design, sensitivity and impedance profile of the speakers being driven.Will the power of the amp impact the clarity, or does it just allow to speakers to play sound at a higher volume?
So if I don’t listen at loud volumn then I won’t hear a difference between an AVR and separates?The key question here is how loud do you like to listen as this is the single biggest factor in determining how much amplifier power you will need in your system e.g. if you listen only 3dB below someone else then you literally only need 50% of the power, 6dB below only 25% of the power, 10dB below then only 10% of the power, 20dB below only 1% of the power. The second biggest factor is the design, sensitivity and impedance profile of the speakers being driven.
Of course our ears will all have varying levels of sensitivity but with a source mastered at reference level (not streamed sources which are mastered lower), personally my ears say stop at about -15dB volume level which means 90dB maximum peaks from the main speakers and 100dB maximum peaks from the subs. If you don't think that's very loud then grab an SPL meter and do a test.
For me, my AVR is more than enough for my power needs as it gives me about 12dB dynamic headroom in the front channels and the maximum power that any of my speakers need to reach a 90dB peak is only about 5 Watts.
Be very careful as there's a lot of ridiculous misinformation in this thread about amplifier power e.g. considering an AVR's maximum power output capability per channel above 5-channels driven simultaneously is utterly nonsensical as soundtracks never demand this.
For most people, a one-box AVR solution can work perfectly well, especially if paired with suitable speakers.
Need further convincing? THX Ultra Certified AVRs (typically capable of 2x140W and 5x100W output) have been independently measured as being able to hit true cinema reference levels (i.e. 105dB peaks) cleanly in large 3,000Ft3 rooms at seating distances >12Ft when used with the right speakers (89dB sensitivity/twin 6.5" drivers). If you listened at -10dB then you would only need an AVR with 10% of this power - this is a scientific fact.
Yeah the tonewinners a monster though, it’s too big.Personally I'd get something more than bas X, the iota 7ch is only s bit more and heftier. There's also the tonewinner 7300 pa
Bas X is fan cooled
So if I don’t listen at loud volumn then I won’t hear a difference between an AVR and separates?
I’ve just ordered Arendal 1961 for the ground level (2 towers, 1 centre, 4 bookshelf’s, and 2 S1 subs) I was going to order 4 OSD R83A’s for the atmos.
I’m begrudgingly prepared to take the hit on it largely being a waste of money buying an all in one box AVR solution due to space constraints. But if it’s a waste of money and poorer sound quality I may need to try to figure out a work around.
I imagine no louder than you? I don’t really have a frame of reference as I don’t know how much 20db actually sounds like because I’ve only had a junky ht in a box device until now.Been watching your thread and I think it has been sidelined a bit with chasing power amps.
With your TV unit that you have
An amplifier will need room to dissipate heat usually above, just looking at my AVR there are vents all along the top, I think it has a recommendation of 10cm above.
You may need to look at a slimline AVR, I believe that Marantz do some, there may other brands. They have less power. As shown by Mr Wolf you probably don’t need massive power. I usually listen at no more than 20db below reference.
How loud do you want to listen?