Are these tyres legal?

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  1. wormvortex

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    The tyre itself has more than 1.6mm of tread the whole way round the the inside section is smooth while the outsides still have tread. IMG_1574.jpg
     
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    Doesn’t look legal to me
     
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    Illegal and overinflated.
     
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    Illegal or not I wouldn't want to be driving on it in this weather.
     
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    They are not over inflated. Actually they are slightly under at the moment. Only by 5psi though.
     
  6. Drd

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    I'm with IronGiant. Legality is a totally irrelevant concept if you decide to play Russian roulette. You're not going to be south of heaven much longer on those!
     
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    Unfortunately legality is totally relevant as it is a company vehicle and they will not change tyres until they are less than 2mm of tread.
     
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    I’d be refusing to drive on them, the middle of the tyre looks pretty much level with the wear marker
     
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    Actually no it isn't irrelevant at all, however the legal limit is 1.6mm so well below the 2mm policy. It is impossible to tell from those photos how deep/shallow the thread is in the middle.

    And the middle is the key point ;) the 1.6mm is measured across the centre three quarters. The outer sides actually don't count.

    And finally, no it is impossible that they are uninflated. Center wear indicates overinflation, if it was underinflated then the sides would have been worn. Sorry but that is a simple fact...Also 5PSI is a lot to be out by. That could significantly impact the handling of the vehicle. I wouldn't refer to that as only personally...
     
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    My company also changes the tyres at 2mm , but they did give a good way to check, the edge of a 20pence coin is exactly 2mm deep , so it's pretty easy to tell.
     
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    When the markers are level with the tread then they are at 1.6mm, so, I would say that they are just about legal, however, you would have a serious argument with a Police Officer as to whether you should be prosecuted.
    I would also argue that the tyre in the photo is unsafe and should be replaced.
    I have had this argument about when company vehicles should be replaced, sometimes they are totally unrealistic in their judgement.
     
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    Perhaps I just value my life, and my family more. OK, the legal limit is 1.6mm over the middle 3/4 in the UK. Many other countries are more sensible and state 3mm as the minimum, as do most manufacturers ( though one could argue they have a vested interest). Trying to measure fractions of a millimetre accurately in a domestic environment is difficult. Honest John has an article where tests show that a Golf travelling at 50mph on 3mm tyres takes 38 metres to stop in wet conditions, and 50 metres on 1.6mm tread. Even more alarming is that at 38 metres the Golf on 1.6mm tyres is still doing 27mph!
    I'm just glad I pay for my own tyres and can change them when I want to ( usually I can feel the difference). After all, considering we start at 8mm then 3 mm down to 2 mm is roughly 15% extra wear, ie changing at 3 mm is a 15% extra cost on tyres. In the overall running cost of a car that's trivial, even more so when you take into account that probably at some point in ownership of a car tyres are going to be replaced so why not have the benefit of new tyres yourself rather than handing new tyres over to the next owner.
    But hey, each to their own..........
     
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    Looks legal to me(just).
     
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    one set of new front boots pls boss or chance it and 3 points (per bald tyre) and a fine up £2500 or loose grip when needed crash and kill/serious injure people..
     
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    Illegal, no way would that pass an MOT, over inflated and it looks like the tracking is out.
    If the company is arguing about it remind them of the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974 and that under it they have a duty of care to both employees and the public.
    You could also tell them you have been pulled by plod and told to get it changed asap or it will be a fine and points next time
     
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    Just a point. They make be under by 5psi now but they have been over inflated at some point.

    At temperatures of -8 on the night at the mo, many people’s tyres will be slightly down on pressure.
     
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    Illegal. I'd never drive on those. :eek:
     
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    Doesn't matter if your company won't change them until 2mm is left it is you as the driver of the vehicle who is responsible of taking any vehicle onto the road in a legal and safe condition. If you have a serious bump those tyres, which I would certainly not drive on, would be taken into consideration by the police and it is you as the driver upon whom the axe would fall.

    Take the car into Kwik Fit or the like and ask them to do a report on the tyres condition. For peace of mind it's worth the small cost. BTW they've been over inflated!
     
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    Hey don't look over inflated to me. The outside is clearly worn more than the inside but that has nothing to do with tyre pressure.
     
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    Two questions
    Which picture are you looking at?
    Are you drunk?
     
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    Lol - I wish!
    I've looked a little closer at the picture and I can see what you guys are talking about. Not a great picture I have to say because you can't see the wear indicator on the left very clearly.

    If it has been over inflated it looks pretty minor to me. I've seen much worse in the past.

    Having a company car is a PITA with kind of thing. I've had to change one front tyre in the past because the other one still had a tiny bit more to go until it reached the wear indicator.
    The lease company refused to pay for both.
     
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    As you say hard to see, but it's certainly not better than the one of the right, probably worse:

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    By the letter of the law that tyre looks legal to me as the tread isn't quite flush with the markers.
    Personally I'd have changed it by now especially with the recent weather.
     
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    @wormvortex what make and model tyre is that? I think we are saying overinflated since a bare or bald centre section is unusual. The wear indicators suggest there shouldn’t be any grooves in the centre - I for one though haven’t seen a tread pattern like that.

    Asymmetric patterns may have few or no grooves on one side apart from the continuous circumferential grooves. I just haven’t seen symmetrical where the centre is ‘bald’ outwards to each side.

    Anyway - assuming the wear we are looking at is from a pattern that hasn’t changed from new - legal but I would change them. It might be the 2mm the company I looking for anyway, especially with a report from a tyre place to back it up as suggested. Also a slight tracking issue with the inside a bit more worn than the outside it seems. And some patches worn differently (allowing for light and shade it seems that way anyway). Or small flat spots! :)
     
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    The left hand thread marker looks like it has worn past the legal limit but hard to tell. I would be concerned at why it's wearing on that side significantly more than the other
     
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    To answer the question, you will need a proper tread depth gauge, (Halfords sells them). What is the other tyre like?

    How many miles do you do per year? It looks like a front wheel and I'm guessing it's a front wheel drive car, which will wear the quickest (compared to rear), so we are probably auguring weather to replace them now or in a months time.
     
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    I think the OP has little choice since it is a company car so they dictate when the tyre meets their definition of worn or not. We are only offering our opinions on a photo and our personal point at which we would change a tyre.

    I reckon it is legal in the right places but not quite at the company 2mm limit in the right places. That seems to me to be the majority view too.

    I (and others as stated) would change it but I guess that isn’t the question for the OP. He wants some back-up to see if he can get the company to change it.

    It does seem to be in the ball park for the company and surely they are at the point where it is worn enough to avoid paying for a new tyre unnecessarily (the main point of their rules), and as mentioned close to where their duty of care to provide a safe, legal company car may be questionable.
     
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    No way would I drive with that little tread, especially not at this time of year. I would suddenly find that both front tyres have punctures, with nails through the sidewalls, that should help get them changed!
     
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    I wouldn't jump off a building and I'm pretty sure that isn't illegal either.
     
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    BASE jumping? - Usually is.

    To end it all? - Frowned upon at least


    :devil::D



    But I do get your point :)
     

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