This is possibly my last attempt to get someone to make my mind up for me. I'm to buy my first DAP soon, and cannot decide. Initially surprised and a little ashamed at my caution, I can now say in my own defence, having given the matter some thought, and then some, that the problem is not properly understanding the criteria. If you buy say, a car, you can quite easily choose on the grounds of such tangibles as speed, fuel consumption, load space etc. With digital recording however, it seems that unless you're already familiar with the medium, then you have nothing much to go on apart from appearance, and since I would prefer a DAP that looked more like an overgrown and well worn Zippo lighter to anything I've seen, appearance is not really an issue. So, are there any Mac users out there who have bought a DAP, used it successfully on a Mac, been happy with it, and if so, what is it? I need a minimum 20gb and would prefer external battery backup. I'm thinking Archos 202 or iPod, my budget is around £180. Possibly the Toshiba Gigabeat, given that it can record directly? To all those who have already given me advice on other threads, thankyou. I'm really now just making sure that my short listed players will work with the Mac. And inviting suggestions (polite only please).