Are there any LCD or LED sets that would have better pq than a VT60 or 500m?

[PlasmaFan4Life]

By better I mean a more color accurate and life like natural picture quality? Admittedly I do not know much about the newer LCD sets and I am wondering if they have improved to plasma or better levels?

 

[noiseboy72]

I would venture that most high end LCDs now have greater dynamic range, colour rendition and smoother motion. 4K, HDR and wide colour gamut all give crisper, more accurate picture renditions and a calibration will enhance the image even more.

Good as plasma was, LCD can provide a better all round viewing experience, but no doubt some Pioneer owners will cling to their TVs until the image fades to nothing...

 

[giggsy1950]

I agree, until you turn the lights down and patches of light appear in the black bars!

 

[noiseboy72]

Maybe on poorly set up and cheaper models, but not an issue equivalent models to high end plasma's

 

[giggsy1950]

I think if you have FALD and a good dimming algorithm they can look good. Be interesting to see how the new TCL MINILED sets do in this regard. Light blooming distracts me on edge lit sets!

 

[Inferno]

Really, it's a simple NO, and you can forget watching any space scenes with stars or anything of the like, there is only one option and it's not any LCD LED backlit TV.

 

[PlasmaFan4Life]

Really, it's a simple NO, and you can forget watching any space scenes with stars or anything of the like, there is only one option and it's not any LCD LED backlit TV.

I just picked up a vt60 with 19,500 hours and the black level is every bit as good as my tweaked 101fd with really low original hours. Actually think it is better as the 101fd still has a very slight glow in complete dark and the vt60 at a glance you would not even know its turned on. Overall pq of the Panasonic is better (in my opinion). I can't believe a panel with so many hours appears to have zero rising blacks and such impressive of a picture. Never would have guessed I would find something I like more than my Elite. Not a LCD on the planet i would trade for either.

 

[GMAN40]

My 500m delivers blacks and picture quality on a par with today’s latest oled‘s. That’s my opinion before anyone starts chirping up.

Considering it’s 11 years old everyone that views my pioneer monitor state they can’t believe their eyes with the fantastic picture quality!!

 

[PlasmaFan4Life]

My 500m delivers blacks and picture quality on a par with today’s latest oled‘s. That’s my opinion before anyone starts chirping up.

Considering it’s 11 years old everyone that views my pioneer monitor state they can’t believe their eyes with the fantastic picture quality!!

It really doesn't though if being compared by equipment.

 

[eastsoutheast]

Agree with plasmafan, I keep talking myself into upgrading from my KRP600 but every time I go to a retailer and look closely I feel there are too many compromises albeit some advantages but not enough.

 

[Inferno]

Most decent OLED will, mine kills it, and I had a KRP 500A, never mind the fanboys, I would take anything that bloke a few post up says with a pinch of salt

 

[noiseboy72]

Unless you are doing a side by side comparison with similarly calibrated TVs, using the same source material, it's not really a fair comparison. Any current TV on display at Currys will look over saturated, is probably running a maximum of 1080p from a central media server via long lengths of HDMI and with the TV in vivid or dynamic mode. It simply does not look its best in those conditions.

My Panasonic VT50 is in the other room and therefore I cannot do a direct comparison, but it's still clear to me that my newer 6500 series Samsung offers a better viewing experience. SD material looks better, false contouring is reduced, motion handling certainly no worse and black levels are better.

I calibrated both of them using my xRite i1Display Pro to a Delta E of better than 2, and skin tones are well matched. Measured contrast is better on the Samsung LCD than the Panasonic while grey scale and gamma is similar between the 2.

I'm sorry, but I don't get the love of plasmas or the continued claims that they still outperform modern TVs of a comparable range. The lack of 4K support, PWM noise, false contouring and solarising overrides the possible benefits around better grey scaling - and I really don't agree that dynamic range or black level is better than a good, well set up modern TV.

 

[Inferno]

Oh, and just another thing before anyone starts wagging their forum fingers, Both my KRP and LG OLED were Professionally Calibrated by fantastic fully trained and well respected Calibrators, and in no way does it do anything at all better, and the Dolby Vision / HDR and black level/detail is a cut above anything my KRP could deliver, even on SDR.

I am in agreement with @noiseboy72

 

[giggsy1950]

I think some of the modern lcd screens give a great picture and look far more natural than they used to. I like the picture quality of the Sony's. I watch in a fairly dark room though so watching great black levels change to very dark grey once the lights are out would be annoying for letterbox movies. Bit of bias lighting can help there though.

 

[PlasmaFan4Life]

Oh, and just another thing before anyone starts wagging their forum fingers, Both my KRP and LG OLED were Professionally Calibrated by fantastic fully trained and well respected Calibrators, and in no way does it do anything at all better, and the Dolby Vision / HDR and black level/detail is a cut above anything my KRP could deliver, even on SDR.

I am in agreement with @noiseboy72

People claiming that their Kuros are better than good OLEDs are just people who can't afford OLEDs.

 

[eastsoutheast]

What a silly post, I can most definitely afford an OLED, the 77” AG9 or C9 are the same price I paid for my KRP and thats over a decade later.

The KRP picture looks what I would describe as more natural but maybe thats because my eyes have tuned in to plasma!

 

[PlasmaFan4Life]

What a silly post, I can most definitely afford an OLED, the 77” AG9 or C9 are the same price I paid for my KRP and thats over a decade later.

The KRP picture looks what I would describe as more natural but maybe thats because my eyes have tuned in to plasma!

I agree that plasma has a very subtle natural feel but OLED does almost everything that a person will notice much better than plasma. People love their Kuros and defend them as if they were their wives but in reality they can not compete with a AG9 or C9 or even C8. All of these sets are worlds better than a Kuro or any plasma. Now some might prefer plasma as i do but to say your old KRP is better is just not true. Its not even close.

 

[eastsoutheast]

I never said ‘better’ in either of my posts, better is highly subjective. I merely said I have been in a position to change screens for a long time and still cant push myself that final bit to justify I would be getting a worthwhile upgrade.

I did acknowledge there were plus’s and minus’s as well as my eyes being in tune with the KRP.

I would upgrade for size reasons and at the moment would only consider the 77” AG9 or 77” CX.

Not a fan boy under any stretch of the imagination but still enjoy my TV.

 

[geese]

I never said ‘better’ in either of my posts, better is highly subjective. I merely said I have been in a position to change screens for a long time and still cant push myself that final bit to justify I would be getting a worthwhile upgrade.

I did acknowledge there were plus’s and minus’s as well as my eyes being in tune with the KRP.

I would upgrade for size reasons and at the moment would only consider the 77” AG9 or 77” CX.

Not a fan boy under any stretch of the imagination but still enjoy my TV.

Im not fond of Oleds yet, they look fake to me, sure it has 0mll etc but to me its not worth it yet. Once they produce a true RGB Oled that has that plasma feel to it then we can talk, but not 1sec sooner. Still have not found a display that can dethrone a tuned KRP500 at 1080P.

 

[PlasmaFan4Life]

I never said ‘better’ in either of my posts, better is highly subjective. I merely said I have been in a position to change screens for a long time and still cant push myself that final bit to justify I would be getting a worthwhile upgrade.

I did acknowledge there were plus’s and minus’s as well as my eyes being in tune with the KRP.

I would upgrade for size reasons and at the moment would only consider the 77” AG9 or 77” CX.

Not a fan boy under any stretch of the imagination but still enjoy my TV.

The biggest problem with Kuros is that the ones which truly are good are all 50". No one ever wanted a set that small. Not back then and not now.

 

[Inferno]

Im not fond of Oleds yet, they look fake to me, sure it has 0mll etc but to me its not worth it yet. Once they produce a true RGB Oled that has that plasma feel to it then we can talk, but not 1sec sooner. Still have not found a display that can dethrone a tuned KRP500 at 1080P.

I had a highly regarded KRP500A it was used in a shoot-out years ago by HDTVtest and it was professionally Calibrated by 2 different calibrators on different HDMI ports, and I am sorry to say that my OLED is far superior in every department and that too has been Professionally calibrated by Dr Jules (as was the KRP), what's this Plasma Feel, is it bad banding and dim viewing and blooming bad dithering because the KRP had them all, I really think you need to go and see a calibrated OLED then you will see, it's not just my imagination it's a fact, the King is dead I am afraid, time to move along now

And HDR and DV are just something else .

 

[Inferno]

Wot U Laughing at SHA err Craig

 

[middleweight]

Wot U Laughing at SHA err Craig

you ok mate

 

[geese]

I had a highly regarded KRP500A it was used in a shoot-out years ago by HDTVtest and it was professionally Calibrated by 2 different calibrators on different HDMI ports, and I am sorry to say that my OLED is far superior in every department and that too has been Professionally calibrated by Dr Jules (as was the KRP), what's this Plasma Feel, is it bad banding and dim viewing and blooming bad dithering because the KRP had them all, I really think you need to go and see a calibrated OLED then you will see, it's not just my imagination it's a fact, the King is dead I am afraid, time to move along now

And HDR and DV are just something else .

No need to say sorry mate, we have all opinions. I have witnessed a few Oleds, gaming forexample looked so fake to me. It was too sharp and introduced edge enhancements. King is not dead, not at 1080p imo. I wish they made true RGB oleds, would help alot in my case. And they have their share of issues thats for sure, is panel lottery still a thing with oled?

 

[Inferno]

They may have been set with the sharpness up, mine is just at default, 10 IIRC on mine.

The thing with the KRP which to be honest I never noticed until I changed was it's too soft also at default because I had them sorted I never altered it from the way it was set but the settings were locked out anyway on the ISF modes, so I couldn't anyway.

If you are watching a good 4K source with high bandwidth it is sharper and more defined more realistic, and because your eyes are used to the soft plasma picture you have you don't think that it looks right on the OLED, but when you start to realise that it is more real then you see it is better and then you look again at the plasma, I had mine for 10+ years and it still IMO is the best Plasma that was ever produced but there not the best TV's anymore, and there power hungry buggers as well the plasma's.