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Are there any difference between integrated Soundcard and seperate PRO one?

Discussion in 'Computer Components' started by rmask, Aug 25, 2005.

  1. rmask

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    your thoughts on subject

    Currently building my new pc
    and I'm not sure if I need better card (integrated alc882 with realtime DTS encoder, MSI 945 Platinum mb)
    as I'll use only digital SPDIF out to denon3805

    I've had Maya MK2, but my old pc's integrated sound didn't had optical spdif out, so i couldn't compare, but the difference using analogs was HUGE (as it supposed to :)

    Current plans were to go for esi juli@, but i'm not sure, since all procesing will be done in denon..

    Thanks

    PS
    don't those integrated soundcard do FORCED conversion to 48KHz?
     
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    There seems to be conflicting opinions on this subject!

    I suggest you try the on-board sound first and see if you are happy with the quality.

    My view is that if you are just using passthrough there is little point in spending a lot of money on a card that specialises in decoding the digital stream to 7.1 channels of analogue that you don't need. I'm sure the 3805 does a better job!

    Stand well back and wait for arguments from the other camp!

    Dave
     
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    My experience is that on-baord SPDI/F is fine, either optical or coax, but on-board D/A often leaves a lot to be desired.

    I use ASUS boards, my HTPC uses a P4C800E (PCI/AGP) while my games PC uses an Audigy 1 . Listening to my 3803 I can't tell the difference, although some 'audiophiles' allegedly can tell that the mobo probably ha worse jutter .. at my age clearly I cant' discern this difference. :)
     
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    I am just getting to grips with this myself, but I beleive all but a few expensive pro soundcards force conversion to 48kHz.

    It is related to Microsofts Kmixer software/driver so the only way round it is to use an alternative like ASIO or Kernal Mixing but you also need a frontend software package that supports these.

    Sound cards from RME seem to be popular for this application.

    P.S this is not an issue for DVD Dolby Digital or DTS but mainly for music playback as all CDs, MP3 etc are 44.1kHz
     
  5. rmask

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    most esi soundcards (including audiotrak brand)
    dont

    i can confirm that for audiotrack maya mk2

    porbably the same for other brands based on envy chip?
     
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    I prefer my M-Audio card to my Nvidia Soundstorm
     
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    I wasn't aware of the ESI Juli@ card before.

    I've just been finding info about it and reading the PDF manual and it looks very interesting.

    Could anyone confirm that you can use this card with its EWDM drivers in Win MCE to enable play back of music from the MCE frontend at 44.1kHz via the SPDIF output?
     
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    Not 100% sure what you want but from what i understand you want to output sound to a denon amp?

    If so then look for the HDA X-Mystique. It's one of the only cards with an onboard 5.1 ENcoder meaning it can encode it to 5.1 and send to your amp over optical. Then your amp decodes it and plays in 5.1 godness
     
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    What differences do you see .. er, hear ? .. enquiring minds want to know. :D

    I'm referring to SPDI/F here as that seems to be what the OP is interested in.
     
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    Also there is a Turtle Beach one with a dolby digital encoder...
     
  11. rmask

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    after some google research seems that integrated chips FORCE upconverting to 48KHz (could be misstype or missunderstanding) and only passes through digitaly encoded content (dolby, dts, etc) untouched..
     
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    I've purchased juli@
    and can confirm TRUE 44.1KHz 1:1 digital signal passthrough

    btw
    the quality using analogs is amazing (although i use digital passthrough directly to the amp :p and analogs only for recording)
    quite comparable to those of denon's 3910 player
     
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    Hi rmask,

    I too purchased a Juli@ for my MCE machine but I am having some issues with it.

    My main problem is with DVD and TV playback, I am getting jumps in audio and picture. Where as if I use my onboard SPDIF everything is fine.

    Can I ask what software you are using in your setup for 44.1kHz 1:1 playback? I can only acheive this with Foobar Kernal Streaming and not MCE (Tested with a 44.1kHz DTS CD).

    Do you use your system for video playback?
    If so what software are you using and have you noticed any problems with the timeline?

    I have been speaking to ESI support and must say they are very helpful so hopefully we can figureout what's going wrong.
     
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    Not all . Some do some don't and some can bypass the kmixer stuff and some upsample regardless. its not all down to money either. The more expensice cards tend to their own clocks. Some say this makes a difference .

    None of this is an issue for dvd/video playback as its 48kHz anyway. This resample business only applies only applies to CD type audio.
     
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    I've not tried SPDIF, but for analogue out, the £50 M-Audio Audiophile, happily bypasses microsoft's software, with ASIO and Foobar (so not converted to 48kHz)
     
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    I have been using onboard sound since 1999. I find it perfectly acceptable and currently use onboard SP/DIF to a AV amp.
     
  17. rmask

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    no special software, auto in sample rate controls, using optical out directly to denon

    make sure you select ch34 for spdif i/o
    and that its selected in your dvd software
     
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    which is (44.1kHz) the majority of audio most of us listens to (including compressed formats) :)
     

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