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Are Region 1 discs REALLY better

Discussion in 'Movie Forum' started by phuturephantasy, Jun 7, 2002.

  1. phuturephantasy

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    I have a collection of mixed region 1/region 2 discs and have been wondering if the picture on region 1 discs is LESS impressive than region 2 as the NTSC tv system used contains less lines than our and this is why there is enough space left on the discs to include a DTS soundtrack which IS I feel superior to Dolby Digital found on region 2's. Am I Wrong?
     
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    ...ahh--- you make it sound as if every second R1 DVD features a dts soundtrack... nothing could be further from the truth... of the c. 18000(!) titles released on DVD in R1 only a few hundred - if that - actually have one...

    ...the main reasons to 'prefer' R1 over R2 are:
    1) more choice
    2) more often than not more 'extras'
    3) titles are often available in R1 (long) before they become available in R2
    4) specifically: UK R2 DVDs may have been cut, courtesy of the BBFC

    ...all IMNSHO, of course!

    ...oh, and although I'm not a 'techie', I'm pretty sure that PAL vs. NTSC has NOTHING to do with the possibility of adding either a full-bit or half-bit dts soundtrack - witness many French and German DVDs (far more of those around than somewhat 'underprivileged' UK DVDs)...

    . . . :eek: . . .
     
  3. Stuart Wright

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    ooooohhhhggg not this old question again!
    Please search through the gazillions of posts on the subject.
     
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    Wonders why anyone bothers with R2.
     
  5. JSW

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    Maybe you should make the search button bigger and bolder ;)
     
  6. Squirrel God

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    Because they're often cheaper.

    If the transfer is not an anamorphic one, I also prefer PAL to NTSC. I can notice the line scan more when I do a 16:9 zoom on an NTSC picture than I can on a PAL zoom.
     
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    Imagines squirrel god with his nose pressing into his tv.
     
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    Imagines AccursedDelphi coming home from the optician with a new pair of glasses.

    Here's the basic logic behind what I can see and you can't...

    NTSC has a lower resolution. If you expand a lower resolution you will notice more flaws than if you expand a higher resolution image.

    My 100Hz TV does not fill in the missing scan lines, therefore I can see them more on an NTSC image than I can on a PAL one.

    It really is as simple as that.
     
  9. JSW

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    Squirrel God,

    Them lines your seeing isn't the difference between pal and ntsc!
    its the crappy reception you get watching on a 14" tv in a caravan :clown:
     
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    My most important reason for buying region 1 is censorship. I am tired of the way the British adult population are treated like children. Head butting, ear slapping, demonstrating knives, the things that are taken out of UK releases defies belief. It seems that in most other countries it is accepted that it is a parent responsibility to protect their children. In this country we are a children led culture. TV, cinema, DVD, they are all stuffed by this big brother attitude.

    Can't you tell it ****es me off!
     
  11. alan8477

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    I've just realised I was censored!
     
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    Squrrel nutz, opps i mean god may i suggest a purchase of a better tv then dvd player and most importantly higer quality cables ;) :p :D as the goods are only as good as your weakest link which normally is the cables.

    Me has perfect vision i'm also an artist so i always pick up small details *looks towards squirrel nutzs crotch* :eek: ;)

    I have a Sony FD1E 32" and have no problem with scanlines and NTSC, wonders if mister squirrel nutz has a large screen tv.

    http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Contrib/WorldTV/compare.html#ntsc
     
  13. Squirrel God

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    AccursedDelphi,

    My equipment is:

    TV - Sony KV28LS60
    Cables - Ixos 126AV
    DVD Player - Sony DVP NS300

    Connection is via RGB.

    So nothing wrong with my equipment.

    As your link correctly stated, line scan is more visible on NTSC.
    This is in agreement with what I said earlier - perhaps you read my post too briefly.

    I can see the line scan on my 28" widescreen TV - I sit at least 2m back from the TV. I DON'T notice it on UNZOOMED images (NTSC or PAL), but I DO notice it when the same images are zoomed up. On zoomed images, I see the scan lines more on a zoomed NTSC image than a zoomed PAL image (as I stated earlier).

    The issue may also be made worse by the transfer of the particular film in question. I don't have many non-anamorphic PAL or NTSC disks but all the ones I have seen, the zoomed PAL image has *always* looked better than the zoomed NTSC image because the scan lines are less evident. For example, The Others R3 and The Gift R3 - scan lines are clearly seen on the zoomed image. Withnail and I R2 - can hardly see the scan lines on the zoomed image.

    Anyway, with the above in mind, my preference in terms of non-anamorphic material is R2 or R4. For anamorphic material, I go with whatever is cheapest (subject to editing cuts that I can't tolerate etc).
     
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    Delphi,

    I have no problem with NTSC either!!!

    I am talking ONLY about NTSC material that I zoom to 16:9, i.e. non anamorphic NTSC transfers.

    I also qualified what I said by stating that my TV does not have the digital functionality to 'fill in' the scan lines, which is why I can see them on a zoomed image. Obviously, on certain other TV sets (perhaps such as yours), the effect would be reduced, particularly if you have a progressive scan TV (or even a rear projection TV).
     
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    That's an incorrect spec. My TV plays NTSC. Obviously you are not reading what I am posting or you do not understand what a zoomed image is.
     
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    ha! ha! :D
     
  19. cybersoga

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    Squirrel, just to reassure you that you are not the only one who notices the scan lines on non anamorphic ntsc dvds in zoom mode, i can see them too on my tv, although it's a smaller Sony KV24LS35. I don't have the room for a bigger one, because my speakers are in the way :)
     
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    I have a 24" Sony and I also notice the lines more on a zoomed NTSC picture, more so than on PAL.
     
  21. Squirrel God

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    Guys, thank you for adding some weight to what I can clearly see and what is logically obvious. :)
     
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    Lets talk money you guys have little tv's ha! ha! who needs to zoom i certainly don't.

    The home cinema set up that i have you don't get much change out of £8,000, measly really in home cinema terms but quality none the less and it shows no lines for me with ntsc. :D :p :eek: :rolleyes:

    What is logically obvious is my home cinema is better than yours...

    Now off you go and sulk guys ;)
     
  23. Ian J

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    AstupidDelphi,

    Gloating like that will guarantee you a short life on this forum as idiots rarely last long.

    I am sure that in reality you would swap your £8,000 home cinema for a body like the one in your avatar.

    If you haven't anything sensible to add may I suggest that you get back to mucking out your horses.
     
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    First Sara Liz then Redlum and the week hasn't finished yet. I think that the forum bookie would be offerering odds on for this one being the next one to depart.

    Is it our dear departed female friend back again.
     
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    Moral - £8,000 setup but can't spell or write properly so there's hope for all of us yet.
     
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    Me not gloating just can't see those lines with ntsc discs on my tv.

    Can i tell you something that avatar is me.

    And who cares about spelling and grammar :eek:


    *much laughter*
     
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    I'll have a pony on that
     
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    Hi Jade,

    I hadn't realised that you were ejected this week or have they an internet connection in the house.
     
  29. stranger

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    how can you know what your or any one elses setup is like? your head is obviously so far up your bum, you won't be able to see or appreciate anything imo:) hope that covers it.
     
  30. Ian J

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    If her head is right up her bum, it probably would cover it.
     

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