Are Panasonic really getting out of the Plasma business this time?

vaktmestern

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Tv haloed from any angle. Knew lg nano led hadnt improved from the 960 last year.
 

Har-One

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Another desperate myth.
According to you. I have been sitting in front of it for a while and in shop demo where the backlight is to the max. the haloing is quite visible while seen from above in one sits in front of it the haloing is not apparent. In addition, if one calibrates the TV in a house environment the problem will be even less apparent.

You may say what you want but LEDs and 4K are not the one disappearing from the market.
 

Har-One

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Tv haloed from any angle. Knew lg nano led hadnt improved from the 960 last year.
I dissagree there. The LG 4K 65'', haloing was not apparent when sit dead in front of it. I admit that at the moment it will not be my first choice but it is not that bad. Off course for the that price 5.5K it should be better.
 
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Tonkerdog

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I'm sat watching the bloody X factor at about 40 degrees and unfortunately I can see it perfectly. But as I and the rest of the population sit withing about 15 degrees of the TV. Even if it did happen, who cares.
 

mikelj

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I saw a direct comparison of a VT60 next to an LG UHD LCD Tv in Fenwicks Newcastle, and the Plasma looked very dull and very grey(no "inky" blacks i'm afraid,i love that one) in comparison. Its lack of detail and sharpness compared to it's Sony LCD neighbour was also embarrassing.

Maybe they are great in a pitch black cinema room, but for those for the 99.9% of us who have windows and lights it's a dreadful technology.

Thats why they are going, and why stores don't and cannot sell them.
Plasma is like CRT is that it will wash out in higher ambient light levels (such as a TV showroom, or a very bright room). The other problem of course, is that TV preset modes are set to by each manufacturer to grab attention, i.e. over-saturated colours and high contrast (an eye attention-getter) and far too high a sharpness setting (gives the impression of more detail). Once you understand this, then you realise that no accurate comparison can be made in TV showroom conditions (unless of course, it's a specialist dealer who has taken the time to set the TVs up correctly).

Many stores want to sell products that provide the highest margins, not necessarily those that provide the best picture.
 
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Tonkerdog

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I also compared a Beovision 12-65 which uses a Panasonic plasma panel against a Beovision 7-55 Mk2 which I'm about to get. The 7-55 uses local dimming and was far sharper and clearer in a variety of ambient settings.

I would have got the plasma if it had been better, but the brutal truth is that it looked a generation behind the LCD.
 

mikelj

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I also compared a Beovision 12-65 which uses a Panasonic plasma panel against a Beovision 7-55 Mk2 which I'm about to get. The 7-55 uses local dimming and was far sharper and clearer in a variety of ambient settings.

I would have got the plasma if it had been better, but the brutal truth is that it looked a generation behind the LCD.
As long as you're happy that's all that counts
 

vism

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+1
 

RyanK

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After suffering 8 years of a Panny LCD i've just purchased a GT60 :) All these rumours of plasmas being dropped have kind of forced my hand. I want to at least experience Plasma until OLED becomes affordable and more reliable. One question though. Why are they banging on and constantly displaying CURVED OLED screens?? We spent years tryng to get rid of curved CRT tubes and Sony Trinitron was the flattest of them all IIRC
 

vism

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I'm assuming it's just a marketing thing, we know they can do flat ones and that's what I want.
 

JonnyBingham

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:clap:

Completely agree with your comments. To say that peeople after 4k are stupid is rubbish. The specs don't lie and 4k to me seems the biggest revolution in the tv market since full hd.
 

HMHB

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4K would be fine for watching on disc etc but the broadcasts by Sky for their HD channels are not as good as when HD first arrived on the scene, they've cut the bitrate of a lot channels I believe.

I don't see the point of 4K for broadcast material when they can't even give us proper HD yet.
 

vism

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4K would be fine for watching on disc etc but the broadcasts by Sky for their HD channels are not as good as when HD first arrived on the scene, they've cut the bitrate of a lot channels I believe.

I don't see the point of 4K for broadcast material when they can't even give us proper HD yet.
Ah, but you've just hit on the main reason I'm so into 4k.

Sky and download services still suffer from compression artifacts you can see on 50Inch screens, let alone 85s.
If you increase the resolution, you make the artifacts smaller. We won't know until we get HEVC services but I'm willing to bet that no artifacts will be visible on anything less that 85 Inches.

Consider the difference between a SD and HD broadcast of the same content, you'll notice that the artifacts are smaller and harder to see on the HD version. From that you can make a reasonable assumption of what a 4k version would look like.
 

Scooby2000

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I saw a direct comparison of a VT60 next to an LG UHD LCD Tv in Fenwicks Newcastle, and the Plasma looked very dull and very grey(no "inky" blacks i'm afraid,i love that one) in comparison. Its lack of detail and sharpness compared to it's Sony LCD neighbour was also embarrassing.

Maybe they are great in a pitch black cinema room, but for those for the 99.9% of us who have windows and lights it's a dreadful technology.

Thats why they are going, and why stores don't and cannot sell them.
No surprised but having owned a few plasmas and genuinely looked at LCD as a possible alternative I find plasma shows more detail with better uniform blacks.
Its all down to the environment and the set you look at.
With shop lighting your findings dont surprise me, I know few people tgat have such lighting in their homes, the idea you need a dark room to enjoy plasma goes against my experience, yes its better in a dark room than LCD but IMO plasma is also better in moderate lighting(natural or artificial) and day or night that is my main viewing environment. Sitting in my living room now with all the lights on and my D6900 is bright sharp, detailed and wonderful thank you.

Each to their own though, if people prefer LCD I can understand why, some top end sets are very impressive, I just dont get the whole dull thing with plasma, none if mine other than maybe my PX80 have been what I would call dull, but then I find some seem to prefer an over bright and garish image so I guess would find plasma dull.
 

joost80

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Your post is right on. I'm an enthousiast and 3d or 4k can't bother me one bit. 4K on a 50 inch or 65 incher so that you can sit closer to your tv but have to move your head so that you can view the whole image. Not needed. Just give me the best 1080p future tv set in time an make every bluray movie the best transfer and it's home movie heaven.
 

vaktmestern

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More now give me a oled that has less gaminglag than 71 and 81ms ....
 

Glenzo

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Just bought a Panasonic entry Level 50" Plasma and my sister a more expensive Panasonic 1080p LED LCD 50". She said my picture's better than hers. (I knew that already, and mine's a 720p). IMO 1080P doesn't show up unless you say go over 50".

It will be sad if Panasonic pull of out Plasma technology.
 

casjen

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My current Samsung 51Es800 plasma is a dream but want a bigger one and 60/64 is to big. Whilst the panasonics are good for many people.. please could this be true and samsung do a 55inch version of their flagship next year (assuming they dont go) to fill the gap :)
 

tman

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My current Samsung 51Es800 plasma is a dream but want a bigger one and 60/64 is to big. Whilst the panasonics are good for many people.. please could this be true and samsung do a 55inch version of their flagship next year (assuming they dont go) to fill the gap :)
Couldn't agree more. My E8000 is sublime, and I'm very happy with it, but, if I'd had the chance, I'd have gone with a 55" version. That would have been perfect.
 

cobwebscavern

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No point in bemoaning the loss of a superior product (which plasma undoubtably is over LCD/LED) as it has happened numerous times in AV history in the past.....VCR over Betamax and Blu-Ray over HD-DVD are two that spring to mind right now.

All enthusiasts can do is maybe grab a bargain or two as this technology goes to the wall and enjoy it until 4K panels become mainstream and more affordable.
 

lentrix

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No point in bemoaning the loss of a superior product (which plasma undoubtably is over LCD/LED) as it has happened numerous times in AV history in the past.....VCR over Betamax and Blu-Ray over HD-DVD are two that spring to mind right now.

All enthusiasts can do is maybe grab a bargain or two as this technology goes to the wall and enjoy it until 4K panels become mainstream and more affordable.
Unfort this is very true - grab the best one you can afford while you still can :lesson:
 

IvorB

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4K would be fine for watching on disc etc but the broadcasts by Sky for their HD channels are not as good as when HD first arrived on the scene, they've cut the bitrate of a lot channels I believe.

I don't see the point of 4K for broadcast material when they can't even give us proper HD yet.
It's frankly a scandal that they are allowed to call that stuff they put out "HD". Luckily I don't watch that rubbush. Full-fat blu-ray all the way for me...
 

IvorB

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No point in bemoaning the loss of a superior product (which plasma undoubtably is over LCD/LED) as it has happened numerous times in AV history in the past.....VCR over Betamax and Blu-Ray over HD-DVD are two that spring to mind right now.

All enthusiasts can do is maybe grab a bargain or two as this technology goes to the wall and enjoy it until 4K panels become mainstream and more affordable.
Can you elaborate on what makes HD-DVD better than blu-ray? I thought it was the other way around.
 

domtheone

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Can you elaborate on what makes HD-DVD better than blu-ray? I thought it was the other way around.
Region Free:laugh:
 

celle

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And I agree, there will be 2014 plasmas since there is a section of the market that will not buy LCD (4k or otherwise).
No, it´s the end_ Panny itself told it to dealers. There will be no more new Panasonic plasmas in 2014.
 
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