Hi. Ma 1st post here. Anyway, I'm pretty much aware of video stuff as I like reading artilcles on the net once in a while, the discussion I'd like to start here is based on "hands down" experience, as this would be my 1st DVD recorder and I can't see the big advantage of HDs, specially considering the much higher price. I'm considering buying the Panasonic DMR-E65EBS wich doesn't have an HD. As I see it it's like this... Advantages: - To be able to burn DVD-R, wich is cheaper, after editing on the HD first Disadvantages: - Recorders with HD are more expensive and DVDRam allows good editing anyway. You'll probably want your recording to last anyway, and for that DVDRam is more reliable. BTW, what do you think of av-sales.co.uk are there better bargains online stores ?