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Arcam AVR-250 = ?

Discussion in 'AV Receivers & Amplifiers' started by Robosapien, Jul 9, 2005.

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    Listened to an Arcam AVR-250 at a friend's house the other day - very nice indeed. I would like to run out and buy one for myself but, unfortunately, it's a bit out of my budget range. Can anyone, preferably with first hand experience, tell me how high I would have to go(model) in let's say a Denon, Marantz or maybe Yamaha to reach similar sound quality. I would be using it in HT applications about 80% of the time. My speakers are Boston Acoustics CR series.
     
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    Since I wasn't getting any replies I went out and had a quick listen for myself. I compared the Arcam against a Denon AVR-2805 and a Yamaha RX-V1500. The Arcam sounded considerably better both in stereo and HT applications. This was no big surprise, especially since the Denon and Yamaha cost about $600.00 CDN less than the Arcam. I then compared the Arcam against a Rotel RSX-1056. While music sounded slightly better on the Arcam the Rotel appeared to have the edge with movies. I also noticed that the Arcam remote looked pathetic when compared to the Rotel's.
    I somehow doubt that similarly priced Denons or Yamahas would necessarily yield better results sound wise - just more power and a few extra bells and whistles. Since I did not have the time to compare all the advantages/disadvantages of these units please feel free to add your two cents. (I don't want to feel like I was talking to myself here)
     
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    I don't think that you'll find a better sounding AV receiver for the money than the Arcam unit. Even the offerings from Denon, Marantz and Yamaha at the same price cannot compete in my opinion. I suggest you start saving your pennies. (or cents)
     
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    You really have to listen for yourself, I went out with the expectation of buying the AVR300 but I prefered the sound of the Denon AVR3805 - even in stereo (my wife thought likewise). The Arcam kit gives a more detailed, open sound, but for me the timing was pretty screwed up and the bass sounded like it was constipated (especially with movies). This might have been a function of the Arcam not liking my Linn speakers, which is why it is vital that you try out ant expensive piece of kit before you buy it.
     
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    I would take a look at the Marantz 7500.

    If your priorities are mainly movies maybe also a Denon 2805, if mainly musical a NAD 753...
     
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    NAD(reliability issues) and Yamaha(sound) are definitely out of the picture. Denon deserves another listen and Marantz could prove to be the dark horse. But if I had to make a decision right now it would be the AVR-250
     
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    Very interesting machine and performance... but the lack of pré-outs would turn my head to the AVR 300 or Rotel 1056 or to a Marantz 8500 or 7500...
     
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    Would have thought the Arcam would have driven Linn speakers better than the Denon but then again Linn stuff is quirky. Did you get a chance to listen to the Arcam Bi amped as its a less than subtle difference ( mind you when biamped you can only have 5.1 set up). Ive got a Denon 3802 by the way
     
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    The Rotel sounded nice in the store but apparently it's somewhat of a ''Hisser''.
    Spending $2000.00(CDN) on a receiver only to discover that it hisses would make me neurotic.
     
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    "Would have thought the Arcam would have driven Linn speakers better than the Denon but then again Linn stuff is quirky. Did you get a chance to listen to the Arcam Bi amped as its a less than subtle difference ( mind you when biamped you can only have 5.1 set up). Ive got a Denon 3802 by the way"

    Yes, me too, I fully expected the Arcam to blow the Denon away on sound. But coming from a Naim stereo setup, timing is very important to me and the Arcam just didn't deliver in this area. I didn't try the Arcam in Bi-Amp mode, but as I am using the 3805 to drive a set of speakers in a second room this wouldn't have been a valid comparison.
    It all goes to show the importance of a proper demonstration and not buying on spec/recommendations. I'm quite sure that some folk (the kind that prefer Musical Fidelity to Naim) would have preferred the Arcam sound.
     
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    I have a AVR 300 biamped to Quad 21Ls - it sounds fantastic. If you only want 5.1, I'd definately give biamping a demo on the AVR250. :) Also, as with all stuff av, make sure the demo is set up properly - the Arcam sounded MUCH better at home when we'd set it up properly than in the shop, though we still bought it!
     

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