My opinion is a Yugo will outperform a Bugatti veyron along a five mile straight.
I'm not interested in scientific tests or numbers but clearly the Yugo is superior in speed, that's my opinion which is valid and invalidates any silly times.
If that is your idea of opinions versus tested data?
Amir does release voltage/sinad, for me I would need 1v-1.6vIt does not. Do you need someone to explain the difference between an input and an output to you?
Amir does release voltage/sinad, for me I would need 1v-1.6v
Exactly. I had numerous Arcam AVR's (600, 750, 850). They are all buggy, some get ironed out, some do not (AVR600) but all of them sound absolutely fantastic and stand head and shoulders above anything I've heard from Yamaha, Denon etc. I would rather listen to great quality sound than look at nice numbers. (No matter how nice those numbers are!)I’m using the Nad, which is glitchy every now and then, I think it was also reviewed poorly on the US site mentioned above, would I return it for my rock solid Yamaha from a few years back...not a chance.
I’m come from an engineering background and believe in scientific results, my ageing ears must disagree. I’m not saying what they say is incorrect/inaccurate, but if something sounds good...well what does it matter what the review says. Use them as a guide before demoing.
Like Arcam, Nad still release firmware and most bugs (not all) are sorted, while I’d prefer a more solid product on release, not sure that is going to happen with many AV products these days. If it really annoys you always purchase year 2!
Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. Albert Einstein.Largely irrelevant science/ measurements showing how things that are inaudible compare with each other. Then getting all uppity and damning about it. These inaudible SINAD measurements are worse than other inaudible SINAD measurements. Must be dreadful lets give it some random animal rating. The only thing that is interesting and useful in my opinion is the max power ratings to see if manufacturers figures are remotely accurate as you may actually care about the number of watts you're getting..
I had the even worse measuring NAD 758 for a bit and thoroughly enjoyed it and thought it sounded great. There's so much more to sound than that we can quantify and as other have said, speakers and room. They're your major issues.
Largely irrelevant science/ measurements showing how things that are inaudible compare with each other. Then getting all uppity and damning about it. These inaudible SINAD measurements are worse than other inaudible SINAD measurements. Must be dreadful lets give it some random animal rating. The only thing that is interesting and useful in my opinion is the max power ratings to see if manufacturers figures are remotely accurate as you may actually care about the number of watts you're getting..
I had the even worse measuring NAD 758 for a bit and thoroughly enjoyed it and thought it sounded great. There's so much more to sound than that we can quantify and as other have said, speakers and room. They're your major issues.
Same here. I pine for Marantz/Denon/Yamaha predictability but after listening to my Anthem 1140 I just can't go back. Sure, it's possible to achieve both reliability and exquisite sound (the Trinnov and Lyngdorf maybe), but I've accepted that the NADs, Arcams, Monoprices and Anthems come with their own peculiarities.I’m using the Nad, which is glitchy every now and then, I think it was also reviewed poorly on the US site mentioned above, would I return it for my rock solid Yamaha from a few years back...not a chance.
I was talking in general, not specifically about the AV40. I was stressing why I like measurements - they debunk theJust to clarify this 24bit/16bit issue. I have not trawled the entire web on it but I believe only ASR is saying this and it's been disputed by Arcam. I would be careful of saying it's cold astonishing reality.
The AV40 has an ESS 9026PRO DAC, the datasheet for this DAC clearly mentions 24-bit and 32-bit modes. I suppose it's possible that Arcam has somehow implemented it incorrectly, but they've been putting DAC's in audio equipment for a while now and I think they know what they're doing.
Is the AV40 bug/issue free? No. I'm not saying I think it's a flawless product, but are you not wording things a little to strongly here?
Talking to me?Give it a listen and stop listening to the panther mad man
lking to me?
Honestly, I have no time for buggy, unreliable, poorly engineered products. I tried it with an Anthem and the experience is still vivid in my memory - 3 factory resets in just one weekend. The damn thing would just stop making sound. Try explaining to the wife why this expensive, fancy box you bought isn't letting her watch Grey's Anatomy!
Oh. I thought you were talking about the Arcam because it was on the ASR review of the AV40 that the whole 16/24 bit thing got raised, which is the example you mentioned.I was talking in general, not specifically about the AV40. I was stressing why I like measurements - they debunk themarketing blurbspecifications pushed by many manufacturers.
The answer is clear to see on this thread. Not everyone takes scientific audio measurements from one web site run by one guy as their only input to a purchasing process. If I was to buy an AV40 I'd be much more interested in the reports of bugs and glitches than a set of measurements on ASR.Returning to the AV40, I think it got wholly roasted by Amir. How they have the gumption to sell it for 4k beats me.
I completely agree. I don't want to sound like I'm sticking up for Arcam regardless of their issues. Not acceptable for the price.Quite a few of the arcam tests result in "broken product" such as avr large speaker mode...when all products have issues in digital system think paints a good picture of arcam.
I'm not making purchasing decisions based on scientific audio measurements alone, I'm not trying to say that at all.Oh. I thought you were talking about the Arcam because it was on the ASR review of the AV40 that the whole 16/24 bit thing got raised, which is the example you mentioned.
The answer is clear to see on this thread. Not everyone takes scientific audio measurements from one web site run by one guy as their only input to a purchasing process. If I was to buy an AV40 I'd be much more interested in the reports of bugs and glitches than a set of measurements on ASR.
That Rotel looks interesting, there is an eARC gizmo, I've not used it personally but see it mentioned on the forums occasionally:On that, my feeling is that the Rotel RSP-1576MKII is a far safer buy, and currently best value for a Dirac-enabled processor. It lacks the streaming features of the AV40 (which is trivially and quite cheap to correct with an external device) and unfortunately it lacks eARC (deal breaker for me personally)
Sure, but I’m watching the new Sony A90J forums in the US and there’s a guy who cannot get this gizmo to work with the new tv. Better to have it integrated.That Rotel looks interesting, there is an eARC gizmo, I've not used it personally but see it mentioned on the forums occasionally:
Interesting. I've heard reports that integrated eARC doesn't always work properly either! The eARC Sharc seems to get great reviews generally, but I suppose there will always be the odd case where things don't go smoothly.Sure, but I’m watching the new Sony A90J forums in the US and there’s a guy who cannot get this gizmo to work with the new tv. Better to have it integrated.
I think there's something about the a90 that it doesn't renegotiate earc properly so devices can need power cycling after switching input.Sure, but I’m watching the new Sony A90J forums in the US and there’s a guy who cannot get this gizmo to work with the new tv. Better to have it integrated.
Wait until Lyngdorf gets measured, I am eagerly waiting on thati am a little confused - is there any processor worth buying short of lyngdorf or trinnov sort of expenditure? reading this thread it doesnt look like any processor sub say £5k is worth a purchase.