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Apple TV 4K Owners Thread

iangreasby

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Yes, there were lots of shows that were shown during the summer hols when I was a kid. "Robinson Crusoe" and "White Horses" as well. I didn't realise at the time (early 70s for me), but most of those series were reruns and probably at least 10 years old when I was watching them.
 

BrightonChris

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Just done a quick check of the bit rates the streamers are using (as I'm meant to be working from home). They all appear pretty similar now - Apple has definitely up'd its bit rates.

What I'm getting now (and this does seem to be variable) is:
  • Netflix 4k DV video 10Mbs Audio 770Kbs
  • ATV+ 4k DV 11Mbs Audio 770Kbs
  • Prime 4k HDR 15Mbs Audio 192Kbs
  • Disney+ 4K DV (not Atmos as I tried the Mandalorian) - Video 8Mbs Audio 256kbs

So for Audio looks like ATV+, Netflix, Disney then Prime
For Video Prime, ATV/Netflix pretty much the same then Disney+.

So from what I measured previously somebody at Apple seems to be reading the boards as they've increased the rates in the last few days. I think it would be tricky to see anything different from the big 4 in Video whereas in Audio I would expect Apple and Netflix to sound best.

I'm hoping somebody could fire up a HUD and verify my numbers as it does seem content dependent - George
Thanks for doing thIs. Presumably Disney has halved theirs as well so I imagine they are usually at 15mbps. A little disappointing as I was hoping for the 20-30 of iTunes movies. (Before the cuts)
 

ggrossen

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Thanks for doing thIs. Presumably Disney has halved theirs as well so I imagine they are usually at 15mbps. A little disappointing as I was hoping for the 20-30 of iTunes movies. (Before the cuts)
I’m going to watch the mandalorian tonight - hopefully the quality will be fine
 

iangreasby

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From what I've seen so far (Netflix, Itunes and Disney) there is no obvious reduction in PQ caused by lowering bandwidth. The only thing I've noticed (and it's certainly no big deal given the current circumstances) is the resolution sometimes takes a few seconds to ramp up once you start watching a show.
 

jwsg

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Anything under 10 is too low for decent 4K without the risk of macroblocking and other issues across a range of content. The low audio bit-rate is quite noticeable and that extra saving is hardly going to save the internet.

Simpsons looks OK except for being annoyingly widescreen.
 

Goooner

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Same for me with Netflix and iTunes.

Last night I tried to watch something on Netflix and it crashed. Restarted it and all was fine. Probably a random crash and not related to the reduction.
 

JimBobRude

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Very disappointed in the Disney + content. It’s been reduced down to an unacceptable quality imo. It’s sub HD quality. I only sit about 2 meters from a 65” OLED though so the drop in quality is more noticeable. I wouldn’t mind if the ISPs has requested this but they didn’t.
 

BrightonChris

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Very disappointed in the Disney + content. It’s been reduced down to an unacceptable quality imo. It’s sub HD quality. I only sit about 2 meters from a 65” OLED though so the drop in quality is more noticeable. I wouldn’t mind if the ISPs has requested this but they didn’t.
It‘s an utter pisstake for sure. The ISPs are even coming out and saying they’re nowhere close to capacity.
 

BMox81

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Very disappointed in the Disney + content. It’s been reduced down to an unacceptable quality imo. It’s sub HD quality. I only sit about 2 meters from a 65” OLED though so the drop in quality is more noticeable. I wouldn’t mind if the ISPs has requested this but they didn’t.
I sit about 6ft from my 65" OLED so about the same and can't say I've noticed any sub HD quality content and we've had it going pretty much all day...
 

jwsg

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Ive only really tried the start of Ep 4 so far - i dont want to start watching seriously while the bit-rates are so reduced.

The 4K video may be a little over-sharpened but you can easily see the extra detail and blemishes on materials and the limitations of the effects back then. But the HDR isnt non-existent as was claimed initially - the weapon flashes are quite noticeable

It's the audio that's the biggest problem and disappointment - it sounds very poor - posters suggesting they've dropped to around 256K from the expected 700+ with Atmos
 

zAndy1

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cheers Andy, I should have gone the US route lol
You still can if you don't mind paying for a dns4me sub on top , £3 a month or £31 for a year approx. Just switch between US and UK at your will then (might as well just leave it on US though) , gives you access to the whole of Mandalorian and the rest of the US content, piece of cake to do , 5 min job 👍
 

Jokerr

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I might just watch Simpsons for the next 30days, which is easily tolerable at lower bit rates.
 

Jokerr

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Maybe they give us free premium porn in a few weeks. Surely that doesn’t interrupt the internet infrastructure.
 

ruffian2205

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Maybe they give us free premium porn in a few weeks. Surely that doesn’t interrupt the internet infrastructure.
You certainly won’t get as many of us logging on to complain about the drop in bit rates!
 

JimBobRude

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So here’s a plot twist........ my mate has the original rip of the mandalorian before the bitrate drop on his plex server, I just did a quick A-B comparison between that copy and the uk Disney + version and they look identical. Maybe they are only cutting back on some content and not the flagship original stuff??
 

jwsg

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I suspect they have sets of files for each show at different bit-rates and configurations - the app chooses one according to your line, device and for Netflix your package - rather than the bit-rate somehow changing on the fly. They've simply removed the top quality ones for now.
So, for Mando the best version then may be the same as the best now, but we know the audio is now a low quality version as there's no Atmos and doesnt sound great,
A file-size compare of rips from then and now would compare the bit-rates.
 

Goooner

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Maybe they give us free premium porn in a few weeks. Surely that doesn’t interrupt the internet infrastructure.
Yeah, lots of few minute bursts of useage compared to 3 1/2 hours of The Irishman in 4K DV/Atmos has got to help reduce the load right :D

With the added bonus of maybe staving off a baby boom in 9 months:laugh:
 

Jokerr

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Yeah, lots of few minute bursts of useage compared to 3 1/2 hours of The Irishman in 4K DV/Atmos has got to help reduce the load right :D

With the added bonus of maybe staving off a baby boom in 9 months:laugh:
The wife expects fore play, but I don’t have the bandwidth anymore.
 

Bat-man

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Yeah, lots of few minute bursts of useage compared to 3 1/2 hours of The Irishman in 4K DV/Atmos has got to help reduce the load right :D

With the added bonus of maybe staving off a baby boom in 9 months:laugh:
Yep and in thirteen years and nine months time we will have the 'Quaranteens'. :)
 

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