I joined this forum recently to seek help with choosing my first MP3 player. I received help in abundance and am indeed indebted to all those who offered advice. Inevitably I read other threads, as well as user reviews on other sites. What surprised me was the amount of mud being slung in the direction of the iPod. I was put in mind of the days when dear old Liverpool FC ruled the earth and were universally hated by non-reds, a little like the current situation with Chelsea. This weekend I am to press the button which will decide whether I buy the 20gb iPod or the Archos 202 (those of you who have helped me thus far may remember that my choice is limited by my being a Mac user), and despite not wanting to be drawn into the emotive side of the debate, I have begun to feel that I am choosing an allegiance almost as much as a player. Before I do press that button, may I ask those of you who have the experience and the patience to give me your unbiased vote, iPod or Archos, based purely on the player's capabilities as a portable audio device. The price difference may be ignored, I simply want to choose the better player, and my dithering needs to be checked to preserve my sanity. Finally, why do iPods come in for so much stick? Surely they are a good product, if a little over-hyped. Perversely, I find myself wondering if the Archos is a lesser product simply because no one is having a go!