Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Trollslayer, May 14, 2019.
Apple faces customer lawsuit over app store
Thirty percent through a web store!
Apple greedy, wherever did that idea come from?
Not sure about this to be honest, what kind of price do you put on security? I like the idea that apps have to run an approval process before they are deemed fit for public consumption. Lets not forget the majority of apps are priced from 99p to 2.99, that's not a lot of money in the grand scale of things, are Apple wrong in charging for their time ensuring the suitability of such apps?
Still, thirty percent on something that big?
It's fair to say they have economy of scale:
Apple to incur $38bn US tax bill as it repatriates Irish cash pile
Read the article (Jan 2018) and is mentions $252 billion Apple have stashed outside the US to avoid tax.
Open the system up and the app developers will loose millions as the system turns into a free for all piracy central like Android. I can't believe that the big developers would be in favour of the availability of multiple app markets.
How did Apple arrive at the 30% commission figure?
Skipping, with a big grin I reckon
It is a weird one I think as this is a lawsuit by consumers. Would they do the same in other shops? Would they really think that if app sellers sold the apps direct they’d do it for less?
I dont think its the 30% that the supreme court has a problem with its that you can only get them from the apple store which is a monopoly therefore anti competitive
It will be interesting to see what comes of that considering the small marketshare and there are alternative phones available.
To me it is exactly what I like about it, I don't want to be concerned with the malware and fake knock off apps that other platforms have.
When you think of all the fines that Google and Microsoft have paid over the years in "anti trust" cases I'm amazed its taken this long to be honest.
Regardless of their popularity, Apple has got a tiny market share and no market monopoly.
They arnt talking about the phone market as a whole they are referring just to iphone and how apples app store has a monopoly on app purchases for iphone users
I know what they are talking about, I’m just highlighted what up to now a monopoly is measured against.
I think this is a very unwise step and for totally the wrong reasons.
I would not want an app from outside their check system. Though I cannot speak for the many, I suspect there are a lot of puffed out chests shouting because they see a possible payoff.
Kavanaugh was on the judges that approved this going forward. Tainted from the start.
Is this the same thing? Google runs on just about anything and they were trying to dominate everything (still are). Apple runs on Apple, you can go buy an Android or something?
Apple has 99.9% of the iPhone App Store market, no? Hence why they are bringing this action, as Apple is the only ‘retailer’ of iPhone apps, & thus they argue it attracts a 30% premium on the price of an app.
Or it cost developers 30% to access a very large, secure and valuable ecosystem and they happily pay an agent for those services. Really nothing unique to Pay middle men.
Beneficial to the developers, but not so to the end consumer, which ultimately the anti-trust laws are there to protect. I guess we’ll have to see how it plays out in the courts.
For the record even if they did allow iPhone apps to be sold by other sellers, I’d probably still stick with buying apps directly from Apple.
And do you really believe that the price of a £0.99 app will go down?
in app purchases have become rather annoying now, in that I would rather buy full price one off however it shows how the developers have shifted.
No, the developer will probably pocket the extra 20-30p, but for the more expensive apps they’d probably pass on the difference.
Also the other part of the lawsuit is that you can only buy apps from iTunes. If it functioned like digital PC games & you potentially buy apps from different stores, then there should be competition on iPhone app prices.
Is there a difference though, only Apple apps can run on Apple products. And vice versa. When Apple brought back in all production and control, you cannot even make and Apple. They have kept is independent of everything.
You mean apps designed to run on Apple devices can only run on Apple devices.
Independent developers are producing their apps not Apple's.
What you often get when you buy outside the store is that you get a single license. With the App Store you get five seats, and on the iOS store you also get family sharing. I hope people don’t forget that element as well. So I buy one game and my wife and daughters can also install it.
European Commission - PRESS RELEASES - Press release - Antitrust: Commission fines Google €4.34 billion for illegal practices regarding Android mobile devices to strengthen dominance of Google's search engine
Google got fined 4.34 billion for requiring their applications to be installed on phones. Manufacturers could put their own versions on the phones, users could download alternative apps via the google play store or even install a different store app and install them but the EU still whacked them.
Apple preinstall apps on their devices and they only have a single store for the user to use that they take a 30% cut of. So yeah, I'd say it was pretty similar?
There is an open source version of Android:
Android Open Source Project
There is a huge difference.
They are allowed to do that on their own devices. What they got “done” for is that they were actively preventing other manufacturers from doing so even when running a fork of Android. Made payments to mobile network operators to enforce that. And made it mandatory for those installing official android.
So very similar to what Microsoft did with Internet Explorer, but very different than what Apple does.
I disagree, google got fined for mandating certain applications to be preinstalled in return for access to the play store.
Apple preinstall various applications, you have no choice, zero, none, nada. Can I buy a android without chrome installed ? nope. Can I buy a iphone without safari installed ? nope.
The only difference is the way in which the two parties ensured the applications are on the device, which has zero effect on the customer..
Can I install a different app store on Android ? yep.
Can I install a different app store on iOS, nope - everything is locked to Apple to ensure they get their 30%. So they have a monopoly, if I want an application for iOS I have to buy it from the apple store, no choice.
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