Anyone braved the Tube yet?

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  1. mjn

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    With a 72 hour strike starting in a few hours, the Tube is going to be virtually closed down for 3 days. TFL are advising people to complete their travel before 17.00 today.

    Has anybody used in it in the last few hours, and if so, how over crowded is it?
     
  2. Ed Selley

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    I can't leave the office until 4.30 and my journey is at least 45 mins. The jubilee line isn't a Metronet operation which I hope will give me some time in reserve.

    I will be taking some time out from my working schedule to egg any RMT pickets I see over the next few days.
     
  3. mjn

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    Yep, the Jubilee, Northern and Piccadilly lines should be operating as normal, but they're going to be rammed with people that usually use the other lines.

    The northern line is usally packed anyway.....but its going to be a nightmare this week. Plus the ticket staff may be going on strike on Tuesday as well!!!
     
  4. Mr.D

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    I'll have to walk it to Liverpool Street from the West End ( forget buses during a tube strike). Alternative is Northern line to Euston and then change onto the other branch and down to Bank for a more leisurely stroll to Liverpool Street.

    Can't they just execute Bob Crow for treason in the current climate?

    There is always a glimmer of hope that enough non-union staff will turn up to keep some of the lines running ( had this fortuitous event happen a couple of times).

    Edit: Indeed it looks as if the Victoria Line is still operational with minor delays ...still its early yet.
     
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    I was on the Jubilee line around 3pm and it was normal for that time of day but it might change with everyone trying to get home before 6pm.
     
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    Not really Bob Crow's fault this one. More like Mr.Brown for forcing the PPP upon TFL.
     
  7. Mr.D

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    That's not what they are striking about though. 2300 RMT members who are out because the assurances given by Livingstone and LRT are not sufficient for Mr. Crow. despite having been asked to clearly state any disagreement the RMT may still have.

    So 2300 disrupt 4.5 million is an already overly congested city thats been the target for various terrorist plots over the last few years.


    String him up I say.
     
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    i take Northern Line from Bank/Monument to Kings X and then Picadilly line to Arnos Grove

    so my journey should be unaffected
     
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    It's metronet workers that are striking due to fears over jobs and pensions as a result of the collapse of the firm due to the disaster that was PPP.
    From the bbc site-
    The unions have been seeking guarantees there will be no job losses, forced transfers or cuts in pensions as a result of Metronet's collapse in July, when it went into administration.

    RMT general secretary Bob Crow said the union had not received the "copper-bottomed guarantees" it had been seeking.

    The only assurances received so far were related to jobs and transfers and covered only the period of administration, he said.

    Sounds pretty fair to me they were obviously wanting longer term promises for their members but never received them.

    Personally I'm glad that one of the unions still has enough power left to make a stand for its members. If you work for the underground you know the RMT is prepared to make a stand. Only last month the threat of action made TFL drop plans to do away with and dilute the right to ill health pensions.
     
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    Sounds to me like they want promises that the rest of us in the private sector don't have and aren't likely to ever get.

    I wouldn't care if I wasn't going into London tomorrow. But as I am I'm seeking the return of Mrs Thatcher to dismantle the unions.
     
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    Seems they are being unreasonable.

    Who can predict the future ?
    It could be that Metronet is over staffed hence why it overspent and cutting staff is the way to go...

    The assurance that no jobs will be lost whilst under administration is a fair one considering job cuts are the first thing that happens when a company goes that way.
     
  12. Mr.D

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    So the other two unions involved were satisified with the assurances.
    Meanwhile Crow gets his gang out anyway....

    In spite of invitations to air any remaining grievances 2300 disrupt 4.5 million. That seems reasonable enough does it.
     
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    Well TSSA aren't exactly renowned for taking action and are pretty toothless. And yes if it does safeguard the workers future then it does seem pretty reasonable.
    From the RMT site
    A second 72-hour strike is scheduled to start at the same time next Monday, September 10.

    "We have been seeking simple, unqualified guarantees from Metronet and its administrator that there will be no job losses, forced transfers or pensions cuts, and we have not had them," RMT general secretary Bob Crow said today.

    "The efforts the Mayor and TfL have put in to try to broker a deal have been welcome, but the problem for all of us remains that Metronet and its administrator are the employer, and the qualified assurances they have given cover only the period of administration.

    "It is astonishing that the administrator can decide all sorts of things, including who will take over the PPP contracts, but is unable to give an unequivocal guarantee that the jobs of the people who will actually deliver the Tube's upgrades will be safe.

    "We have been told that the pension-fund trustees will be "urged" to ensure that employees lose no pension during the period of administration, but no amount of 'urging' amounts to a guarantee, and this is not a matter for the trustees in any case.

    "It is the employer's duty to ensure that pension provision will be no less favourable than before the PPP, as promised by the deputy prime minister, and what we need from the employer is the simple guarantee that there will be no reduction in pension rights, past, present or future.

    "We said from the start that our members were not prepared to pay for the collapse of Metronet with their jobs and pensions, and that remains our bottom line.

    "What our members want is to be transferred to a public-sector organisation, and that is the only way in which their jobs and pensions can be protected," Bob Crow said
     
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    In RMT parlance this means that no current employee of Metronet can be fired between now and the final implosion of the Universe. You might as well negiotiate with a barnyard animal.

    Still- nothing an egging won't sort.
     
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    Very very telling comment from mouldy crow . This strike is politically motivated and has nothing to do with the workers . Its blinkered socialist mob tactics to pressurise the return of the tube management to the public sector.


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/03_09_07_letter_to_bob_crow.pdf

    Seems like a perfectly reasonable response from the other side.
     
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    The sooner the maintenance and upkeep for the tube is brought back in house the better for everyone.
     
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    Yes and things will be different after the revolution. And "they" will be the first up against the wall. There is a list with names on it etc etc etc.

    Everyone will be free and equal except the ones that disagree.
     
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    maybe if metronet had put the jobs out to tender instead of keeping them amongst the five partners it would have fared better.
     
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    I wish I could have that kind of job security. If one of us in the private sector works for a company that has entered into administration, we are bound to loose our job. In that instance, we have to suck it up, find another job and get on with life. Whilst I don't wish unemployment on anyone (I have been unemployed 3 times and it is both depressing and painful), it's just life at the end of the day. Assurances are not worth the paper they are written on so why bother with a strike where none of your members get paid??
     
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    One of the reasons underground workers receive the pretty good benefits that we do is thanks to the strength of the RMT, it's members and leadership.
     
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    What !!!????? You mean ....!!! You're an "underground worker"!!!!

    Heavens to betsy you kept that well hidden. Is Bob feeding you expensive chocolates as you sit on his knee as well by any chance?

    Do anything nice tomorrow ? I'm not .
     
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    Enjoy your time off;

    Should you be near a picket- Heads up!
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    On what basis do you believe that you are entitled to greater job security than everyone else?
     
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    Shouldn't they have the same job security as me? Of course they should.Perhaps if they organised themselves better they would enjoy the same security and benefits e.g ten weeks paid leave a year.
    Not had to go on strike as I'm on annual leave.
     
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    Well, I look forward to the inevitable occasion where you overstep the mark and hopefully starve.
     
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    bully boy tactics, 10 weeks paid holiday? Gaurnteed job security?
    Call in sick then play squash and when you get sacked for getting caught out you call in a strike again?

    Makes my blood boil, the Union leaders should be jailed for organised terrorism
     
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    Didn't know they got 2 months paid leave

    Sweet gig if you can get it
     
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    I've missed work tonight because of the *******. I need the picadilly line, but they've gone a closed it off from hyde park corner and I needed to get to Acton Town. I went to my tube station and paid and everything only to get a little further to read the white board tellling me the place was closed off for that part of the route. I had checked thetube.com before too at about 6pm, must have happened after.
     
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    From the workers liberty site
    RMT's strike on failed privateer Metronet went ahead today, was solid, and caused the majority of London Underground lines to close down. LUL workers were ready and willing to refuse to work on safety grounds, but it seems that London Underground itself woke up to the fact that it is not safe to run a train service when the people who maintain and fix the trains, track, stations, signals and other infrastructure are not at work.

    Immense pressure had piled on RMT to call off the action - from the Mayor, the employers, the media, and even the TUC. Predictably enough, TSSA and Unite jumped ship, calling off their strikes and handing the bosses a propaganda weapon. Fortunately, they represent a small fraction of the Metronet workforce - the majority are in RMT and were solid in their support for the strike.

    Ken Livingstone would have us believe that he has made sufficient guarantees for the strike to be unnecessary. The problem is that he is not the employer of the Metronet workers! Any guarantees he gives count only - if at all - for the period that Metronet remains in administration. Accepting Ken's word would not prevent the Metronet contract being re-privatised and the 'guarantees' meaning nothing. Would you accept that your pension is safe for a few months when you are not due to retire for several years?!

    RMT members remain confident, their confidence boosted by the even-more-dramatic-than-expected effect that the strike has had on the train service. The union's leadership has so far remained loyal to the rank-and-file members' determination to fight. The fact that those members set up a strike committee at an early stage has helped to keep the leaders accountable to the rank and file.
     
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    UP the workers.
     

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