Any UK TVs officially support 1:1 1080p?

johnmreynolds

Standard Member
I've got a 360 (and the HD-DVD player add on).

I'm looking to upgrade my current (1366*768) TV to one that will cope with 1080p properly.

However, after looking into it a bit more, I've yet to find ANY TVs in the UK that officially support this (with 1:1 mapping so no overscan).

The Sony W series does work, but it's not an officially supported resolution over VGA. The Samsung F71 series also works, but needs a firmware patch for 1:1 and the new Samsung M86/M87 series doesn't work.

Anyone got any recommendations?
 

Mr-Bananas

Well-known Member
Unfortunately most 1080p TV's only do 1:1 mapping at 1080p over HDMI.

On my Sharp XD1, 1080i over component looks mind blowingly good, its hard to imaging how it could be any better. However, I will be getting an Xbox 360 Elite just so I can get a true 1080p picture.
 

supermackem

Active Member
The samsung does 1:1 over vga without firmware upgrade. The firmware upgrade adds 1:1 over hdmi and takes around 2 mins to do.
 

RottenFox

Distinguished Member
Unfortunately most 1080p TV's only do 1:1 mapping at 1080p over HDMI.

On my Sharp XD1, 1080i over component looks mind blowingly good, its hard to imaging how it could be any better. However, I will be getting an Xbox 360 Elite just so I can get a true 1080p picture.
theres no difference,between 1080i,and 1080p,really,on the sharp XD1E.
 

RottenFox

Distinguished Member
For films, yes, but I'm looking for a TV that will cope with the forthcoming 1080p games. For games, there will be a difference.
i think you have that the wrong way round..
take for example,virtua tennis 3,on the 360,i cannot see any difference,using the XD1E tv,@1080i,and a samsung F71,@1080p..using 1080i on a lower res tv,yes,but not on a 1920x1080 panel.
 

sideysid

Active Member
And what size 1080p panel are you going to be looking at?
You'll need ideally a 50"+ and then some to see a difference at the average viewing distance.
 

Van Dam

Distinguished Member
Why does the TV have to be 'officially' supported? If the Sony W series support 1080p with 1:1 why don't you get one? :confused:
 

Van Dam

Distinguished Member
I think he wants to use his VGA cable but the W series doesnt support it.

The Sony W series does support 1080p will full 1:1 pixel mapping via VGA but like the OP has stated it's an unofficially supported resolution but nonetheless can be done.
 

johnmreynolds

Standard Member
i think you have that the wrong way round..
take for example,virtua tennis 3,on the 360,i cannot see any difference,using the XD1E tv,@1080i,and a samsung F71,@1080p..using 1080i on a lower res tv,yes,but not on a 1920x1080 panel.

No, I meant what I said.

Theoretically, as long as the TV does a good deinterlacing job, then there should be zero difference between 1080p and 1080i for film, as the film source is at 24Hz, so deinterlaced 1080i is enough to contain all of the information.

However, for proper 1080p 60 fps games (and I've not seen VT3, so don't know fast it runs), there should be a huge difference as 1080i is losing literally half the information.

Of course, it could be that VT3 and the other 1080p games are runnning at 30 fps. In this case, it will be as you say: no difference at all between 1080i and 1080p.

On my PC I've got a Dell 24in monitor running at 1920*1200. Older games where my mid-range PC can maintain a steady 60 fps at this resolution look amazing. Of course my PC is rather faster than the 360, but I'd hope that at least some of the simpler Live Arcade titles could handle 1920*1080 at 60 fps.
 

johnmreynolds

Standard Member
And what size 1080p panel are you going to be looking at?
You'll need ideally a 50"+ and then some to see a difference at the average viewing distance.

Not for games.

I (an I suspect many people) sit rather closer to the set for games than watching films. Also, games tend to suffer slightly more from aliasing than video sources.

My current set is a 37in 1366*768 one, and I'm looking to upgrade precisely because the resolution isn't high enough.

For comparison, as I said in my last post, my PC has a 1920*1200 24in monitor. Even on that I could see the need for a slightly higher resolution (though it's actually pretty good).

Where it does get silly is I used to have (before it got stolen) a 15in laptop that did 1920*1200. Now that really did have tiny pixels.
 

Stephen Neal

Distinguished Member
Yep - I can confirm the Sony 40W2000 supports 1:1 1080p in VGA mode - though you get a small on-screen display saying "Unsupported Resolution" you can cancel this by changing the volume or cycling the menu.

It is 1080p 1:1 via HDMI - or can be - without the error message.

It doesn't support 1080p via component.
 

SeeNoWeevil

Well-known Member
Using my 360 fine @ 1080p 1:1 on a Sony W2000 over vga.
 

Broxi1979

Active Member
The Sammy F71 is 1:1 on VGA and 1:1 on HDMi with a readily available upgrade, it has a slight overscan on component but still supports 1080p. I can confirm that X360 looks stunning on VGA with this TV.
 

Mars2003

Active Member
The Sammy F71 is 1:1 on VGA and 1:1 on HDMi with a readily available upgrade, it has a slight overscan on component but still supports 1080p. I can confirm that X360 looks stunning on VGA with this TV.

That's the truth :D
 

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