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Any news on the Philips DFR9000?

Discussion in 'AV Receivers & Amplifiers' started by DarrenH, Jul 14, 2005.

  1. DarrenH

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    Hi,

    I have just taken the plunge with the Philips 9000S DVD player, and I am really pleased with it so far.

    I was just wondering whether anyone knew what was happening with the matching receiver - the DFR9000. I have read in some places that this has D class amplification, but I have no idea what this means and whether it will suit my Castle Compacts? I am using a Denon 2105 (bought recently off this forum) which sounds 'nice'!

    Thanks

    Darren
     
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    I think D stands for digital.

    This means that the amplification is done in the digital domain.

    These amps have a different voicing to their analogue counterparts so it might be best to get a demo with your speakers to hear if the sound suits you.
     
  3. Petrushka

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    I'd also be interested in any comments from users of the DFR9000 receiver as I am also about to order one of these.
     
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  5. DarrenH

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    Thanks for the replies.. :smashin:

    marconist,

    An interesting read on the 9000 DVD player - which I already own... but I would be interested in your views on your receiver. Do you have the matching DVD player?

    Where are you based? UK?

    Darren
     
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    Based in Holland and bought the DFR9000 here through an Internet shop at € 675. I do not (yet) have the DVP9000 because I own quite a lot of region 1 discs. When the crack is there I may, but I'm not sure ....... Maybe I wait for the blueray thing. :cool:

    The DFR9000 started of allright, but after 24 hours the display faded away, which is quite unhandy. The trader promised me a new one.
    I am using it now with a DVP720 and the picture on a Sony 3LCD projection TV is very good and the DFR9000 had plenty of possibilities to adjust the picture. I bought it also because in due time I want to buy a highres plasma or LCD screen .....
    Another thing I bought it for is the sound. It is really very good, I run it with T+A transmission line speakers for L+R, small B&W for the background and (for film only) a small B&W as mid. So I'm not using all amp outputs (and not intending either!).
    The disadvantage is the fact that my speakers are 8 Ohms, so my max output is only some 65 Watts per channel, which is soso when doing a movie with very extreme sound effects.
    Although I must admit it is still very loud (enough to get my wife half a meter out of her chair ;) ). My room is some 70 m2 ~ 80 yard2.
    When playing SACD or CD the sound is really excellent and can surely compete with that "high-end stuff". (I used Sony, Denon and Philips conventional AV receivers before with 5x 100 Watts output). The clarity, stability of the sound picture and depth in the sound are astounding; at least with my speakers. Of course the T+A's are a major factor there, but with this set I am really "using" them again!
    All-in-all I'm happy with it and I hope I get the new one soon!
    The only disadvantage I have sofar is the fact that the DFR9000 is rather slow when switching digital inputs. That may mean that when you start up a CD you might miss some part of a second of the first track. Nasty, but for me not a breaking factor :D

    Oh, before I forget! Dab radio is really good although I probably have to put an antenna outside. The quality of DAB is really a lot better that he nowadays FM transmissions in the Netherlands. Nice clean bass and very good and clean highs.
     
  7. gringottsdirect

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    marconist,
    Apologies if I misunderstand - but what is the problem with DVP9000 playing region 1 discs - mine plays region 1 discs OK using the hack posted on AVS. :cool:

    FM in UK is better than DAB. :)
     
  8. marconist

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    I must be blind ..... ;)
    Cannot find the hack! Can you indicate?

    Maybe the bitrate is lower in the UK? Anyhow I wonder how long DAB will be "good" because there is always the pressure of putting more channels (at a lower bitrate) in and not to forget the music industry, that is afraid of the copy cat and probably pressurizes the broadcast people. :thumbsdow
     
  9. DarrenH

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    Bit off topic... sorry but, MR hack for the Philips 9000S DVD player:

    Originally posted by ricardomourinho/Tulloch2003

    "@ ricardomourinho


    Multiregion hack:
    -Turn on the player without any disc in it.
    -Press the Play button on the player itself.
    -Push slowly 1-5-9 on the original remote.
    -The display on the player should then show "------------"
    -Push 222 222 005 255 on the remote.
    -Push Play on the remote.


    To get firmware version:
    -Open the disc tray
    -Push Disk Menu"

    Regards

    Darren
     
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    Ah, yeah ..... I should have known: same trick as for the DVP900SA!
    Thanks, Darren.
     
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    Just to let you know, it does work! I have used it with no problems on my 9000s. :smashin:
     
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    Does anyone know of an online store in the UK which sells the DFR9000?

    I live in Sydney and even thought he Philips website here has had a picture of it, no one at Philips can tell e when they'll have it in stock so I've decided to buy onr from half way across the planet.

    They are supposed to retail here for AUD1599. Am looking for a price that will compoete with this.

    Thanks
     
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    Just for info, the dfr9000 is now available in some European countries for the last few weeks. I know that in some others it is not available yet (for example France).
    I already bought the DVP900SA (the other name of it is DVP9000s), and that's a superb machine, very good testing results and rates in HIFI/HT magazines. It is indeed a quite great product for the price.
    About the DFR, I have not been able to hear it and there have been no reviews in magazines. I really would like to hear how good is the sound, especially in stereo before buying it.
    Please post any feedback,
    Regards
     
  14. DarrenH

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    Just had a mail from a retailer in Holland. Has a price of 600 Euros plus 35 Euros delivery to the UK which sounds reasonable. I will have to sell my Denon 2105 receiver first though!

    The dealer was www.fransdesmet.be

    Don't know them, or their sales history, but I have some contacts in Holland who may be able to help me..
     
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    It's Belgium ..... :D
    Anyhow, lowest price I've seen! And reasonable shipping. :)
     
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    Oooops! :rolleyes: the .be should have given it away! I may have to make some friends in belgium then :rotfl:
     
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    I've read the specs. PDF and on the supported display res. it mentions all but 720p 50Hz. Did they just forget it or doesn't it work at all?
     
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    THeir Belgian site lists the DFR9000 for 800 euro.
     
  19. DarrenH

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    Yes, but ask them for a quote!

    Darren
     
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    Read the specs in the user-manual. (PDF-downloadable).
     
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    Any other feedback regarding the sound quality of the DFR9000?
    I saw it in a MediaMarkt shop in Amsterdam today, the price there was 890 Euros!
    These guys (the vendors) do not know what means service, I did not want to bother them asking questions or demo. They were too busy with themselves. Service in the Netherlands is as bad as in Belgium.
     
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    Nope, from my experience it's worse. Only problem with Belgian service I sometimes have is the use of strange flemish words :) .

    Also waiting for more reviews of this thing. Will ask an uncle (works for Philips) for how much he can get one.
     
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    That would be great.
    I also have the impression that the 9000 series is a new range in Philips. Is Philips back in the higher end products? And is this the beginning of a suite of new products (receiver and reader)? In other words, can we expect other announcement?
    What really beats me with this company is that it is really difficult to find these products in shops, the distribution is poor.
    I am really interested in the quality of sound, the rest is clear and described in the specs (6.1, etc.).

    Note: the stange flemish words are french...just jocking
     
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    Why not listen in the UK? Its advertised for far less than € 890 anyhow!
    MediaMarket is a German chain and in the Netherlands only good for heavy volume stuff; not for (in this case Philips) stuff that is made for the few.
    There is nothing wrong in ordering with one of the better Internetshops in Holland or Belgium, but check in your own country first before you spend.
    Want to know about better Internetshops in B and NL?

    http://www.kieskeurig.nl/nl/product.nsf/pricelist/E9A165BEED8C8FBCC1256FEA002C0695.htm

    Easy about the language, even little kids can read it uphere. :D
     
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    I put so much hope in the DFR that if it does not deliver I will commit suicide or buy a low end system in a mediamarkt.
    Yeah, you right, if I buy one I will try one of the Internet shop referenced.
    My goal, which seems difficult to achieve, is to hear it first. I will go back to the Mediamarkt next week (the one next to the Arena), I will try to attract the attention of one of the vendors.
    I have to say that one thing really great about the DFR is the design (I already have the DVP).
     
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    Maybe you better go to Correct in Rotterdam. They have better demonstration abilities:

    http://www1.correct.com/artikel.php...58&PHPSESSID=ad3883566ef774af800ba7a6a7a2ca56
     
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    I am about every week in Amsterdam...not in Rotterdam. I am working very close from the Arena. The price range (from 700- Euros to 899) is quite astonishing (about 200 Euros difference between the lowest and the highest...for a device that costs around 800 euros! I find that strange). If you have a good address in Amsterdam, I am interested.
     
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    If you can plan on buying through internet then check the German prices first. http://www.idealo.de or http://www.geizkragen.de are perfect sites to look for bargain prices in Germany. The DFR 9000 costs only €650 - €675 when purchased at the cheap sites in Germany.
     
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    Do you have a car available?
     
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    Yeap, I am doing Brussels - Amsterdam back and forth, once a week, by car.
    But hey, Rotterdam is not exactly on the way...(Utrecht-Breda-Antwerp-Brussels).
     

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