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Any news of new 30"> LCD`s?

Discussion in 'LCD & LED LCD TVs' started by empi67, Feb 4, 2004.

  1. empi67

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    Hi there. Well after waiting for months to buy a new TV i had decided on a sony 30MR1 (wanted to pay the extra for the looks really)
    But phoned up the local dealer only to be told that sony has put a stop on any more of these being built, probably due to new models about to be released.

    My question is does anyone have any info as to when new larger size LCd`s will be released? I am REALLY getting desperate as i have just moved house and the 14" portable just doesnt cut it no more ;)

    Really dont want to shell out on something if new models are just around the corner..

    Thanks
     
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    Hi and welcome to the forums! :hiya:

    The Sharp LC-37H4VE is well regarded and has been out for a while. Samsung make a 40" model and Philips and Sharp have 30" models on sale.

    Hope this helps :)
     
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    Keep an eye out for the new Sharp AD series, very nice screens and have freeview digital tv built in as well as digital sound, they do 22" , 30" and 37". Probably the best picture i've seen on an LCD !!
     
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    Hi thanks for the Welcome, Yes i have been concidering the Sharp Screens alot, but the only think stopping me is in the back of my mind i keep thinking about the New 30"+ panasonic, JVC, Sony screens that "might" be around the corner....
    Never thought choosing a TV could be so hard..;) but dont want to be spending that kind of money for it to be the "old" model so soon
     
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    Being in HK atm, it is really LCD heaven, so many models here, that are only for Asia. Anyway, the new Sharps, Samsungs and Toshibas looks really good indeed. Not much difference on those I've seen and I've already been to so many shops.

    But you said that you don't want to buy a tv and soon to be old model, well, Samsung LW-32A23W, not the older 13W version (and in Asia, Germany and France, the 40inch version of 23W are for sale, but not in UK yet) got a 5star from a UK av mag, just now, it might have been the whatvideotv.com one, it is the most future proof of the 3mentioned as well over other brands. It has DVI input (no other model has that yet), and is ready for full HDTV resolution, its got Dolby Digital/DTS and DPLII with a set of 5 speakers I think (I don't know any other lcd model that has it), as well as component with prog scan, 2 rgb scart, 2 tuners with pip (again I don't think others have it), and a great picture.

    Price only 2173 - http://uk.pricerunner.com/sound-and-vision/vision/tv/162203/prices

    Match it together with Samsung HD935 dvd player, which has a DVI output, which can be found for only 140 - http://www.pantheronline.co.uk/shop.php?Call=showdetail&stock_id=DVDHD935&epi=175289 - and with a DVI cable, all in all under 2400pound, you are truly into the digital world. At the moment it is really the most future proof LCD package you can buy and I reckon the best value, and it has a picture as good as the best lcd.

    Wasabi
     
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    WOW thanks alot for that info.. i will go and buy the latest issue for the review of the samsung. Never really considered the Samsung, but will give it serious concideration now..

    Only downside i can see... is why does it look a tag ugly..:(
     
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    empi67,

    Obviosly you could wait for even newer prodcuts, but most major players, Samsung, JVC, Toshiba, Philips, LG, Panasonic and Sharp revealed new lcd products in October last year, so it is unlikely they will come out with something this side of the half year. So I reckon Samsung for the complete package, but if it is not your style of design, then by all means choose another lcd, but they are not as futureproof, but if you don't intend to use higher quality than component inputs, then you don't need any future proofing.

    I actually just noticed that Hyundai has a 30inch using LGPhilips screen, and it has a DVI input as well - http://www.pantheronline.co.uk/shop.php?Call=showdetail&stock_id=HLT3000&epi=191815# - but if you want something with a name, then, perhaps not.

    You have many choices if you will only use RGB and component inputs.

    The thing is also that since Samsung and Toshiba has the newest models, you will notice that the prices for their 32inch are the same as 30inch Sharp, Philips etc. 2extra inch I reckon makes a lot of difference.

    Samsung LW-32A23W - price 2173 + 300 with 3yr warranty and stand. http://www.qed-uk.com/?i=&vp=6&bg=131&bp=a23s&bi=0

    Toshiba 32LW36 (32") - is a great LCD, but just not as good as the Samsung, however, a great price from Qed at only 1957+ 250 with 3yr warr & stand - http://www.qed-uk.com/?i=&vp=6&bg=131&bp=wl36s&bi=0

    Sharp LC30HV4E (30") - king of lcd for a long time, but now featurewise it is falling behind samsung. Prices 2118 including 3yr warranty & stand - http://www.shopatdigital.co.uk/acatalog/LC30HV4E.html
    http://www.letsgodigital.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Sharp_29.html

    JVC LT32C31 (32") - another great lcd, maybe as good as the best, but feature wise behind samsung. Price 2250 + 279 for 3yr warranty & stand - http://www.digitaldirectuk.com/products_moreinfo3/index.asp?product_id=2586

    Philips 30PF9975 (30") - very good but not great. Pixel Plus technologyhas a lot of critisism at the CRT department. Price 1912 +219 with 3yr warr & standard table top stand - http://www.digitaldirectuk.com/products_moreinfo3/index.asp?product_id=1477

    LG, Thomson, Hyundai and Sony not as good at the moment, but they will get better with time and any brand should watch out. Panasonic doesn't have bigger than 22" and Sony new models later.

    Another thing, I chose if possible good retailers according to average score in pricerunner and with the best price including 3yr warranty, as you probably want extra safety for such a expensive product.

    If you would choose Samsung, then the dvd player has got really good feedback here. You will find on this department and on projector and dvd department, that DVI gives you better picture than analogue signals.

    Well I'm sure others here will maybe agree or disagree, but I hope I have given you a good guidance.

    Wasabi
     
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    if size is important, its worth checking the small print.

    For example, the Philips and Sharp are 30" screens, with 30" visible. This is equivalent to the viewable area on a 32" widescreen CRT.

    The Toshiba is quoted as a 32" screen, but only has a 76cm visible area, which is the same as a 32" CRT, or a 30" Sharp/philips screen. So beware


    I have the philips 30" LCD and love it. Pixel plus provides great scaling for analogue TV and sky etc if you don't already have it. for future proofing, you can use the VGA input and a scaler.

    I believe the philips and the sharp are the current leaders of the pack performance wise.
     
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    Richard,

    The real visible area is a good point I didn't think of. Good stuff.

    Wasabi
     
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    It is very disappointing that Sharp and JVC haven't included DVI input - JVC looks gorgeous and Sharp with inbuilt freeview is great but lack of digital hook up for my HTPC rules out a purchase.

    My ageing Sony 32" CRT is crying out to be replaced. I've decided on an LCD at about 30"/32" for general tv use and a PJ for films and footy.

    At the moment the Samsung seems to be the only choice that has digital input/decent picture.
    Is anyone aware of a forthcoming model elsewhere that offers class leading PQ and is HTPC friendly?
     
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    Some various add info.

    The sharp is actually a 15:9, not 16:9, but appearantly a new G series (32" called LC32GD1) which includes a proper 16:9 and a 32" has just been launched in Japan, and maybe comes to US in the summer. I don't know when it will come to Europe though.

    sharp

    Panasonic also has a new 32", the VIERA line, coming out on Q2. The 32 is called TC-32lx20.

    Philips probably also out with a new line, including a 32" during Q2.

    A member in avs says his friends are raving about the new Samsungs, way better than the current Sharps
    avs

    Also Asia and US gets really good lcd's from Mitsubishi and Toshiba which Europe don't get, which is a shame.

    Wasabi
     
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    Just to add; the 37" sharp is true 16:9 it's the 30" and smaller which are 15:9. ;)
     
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    rct & Richard,

    Does it mean that the current 30" lcd's on the market are really 15:9, and the new 32"s are 16:9?

    empi67,

    It's a shame Sharp is robbing Europe of the DVI input, which US are getting and I don't mean the future sharp, I mean the current LC30HV4, otherwise it would be in your short list, wouldn't it?

    If you can hold out for 3-6months, you will know what specs the new Panasonic and Philips will have, but then other brands will release in Q3 and Q4-shall I wait until then? and it goes on, you can wait forever.

    One thing is for sure though, the price/specs ratio will improve for every generation, but that goes for all technological products, see PC's, Digital cameras and Mobile phones.

    Wasabi
     
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    The current 30" LCDs are 15:9, as for whether the 32" will be 16:9 is another question altogether, it will depend on the manufacturer's chosen resolution and whether or not the pixels are square. Sharp's current 37" has a resolution of 1366*768 and has square pixels i.e. it is almost exactly 16:9 ratio.
     
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    if it helps, I consider my screen to be 16:9.6 :) I used to be bitter but I'm not too bothered anymore - the high resolution more than makes up for it.

    So its very slightly taller than a 16:9 picture. It has zoom modes to deal with this of course. You either have a true 16:9 widescreen picture with leetle black bars top and bottom, or you can zoom vertically slightly to fill them in (no picture loss)
     
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    Have checked, the new Tosh, Philips, Sharp, JVC and Samsung - the 30 and 32's, they all have same resolution 1280x768, so it must depend on the pixel shape.

    Ok guys, I will check for empi67, the exact visibility area and the pixel structure on the 30/32 as these are the sizes he is looking at. In HK there are plenty of big stores where they have loads of lcds, and I report back, hopefully during the weekend. It would be nice to get this issue cleared up ;p

    Wasabi
     
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    Hi empi67, Welcome! :hiya:

    I've got some great news for you!

    Sony have introduced a 42" LCD screen in the USA which is styled exactly the same as our present 30" KLV-30MR1 model! :smashin:

    Here's a link:

    www.audiorevolution.com/news/1103/12.sony.shtml

    I'm sure that this will soon form part of Sony's UK line up & I for one am going to wait and see this model in action prior to commiting to a 42"/50" Plasma panel.

    Best Regards,
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    That would be interesting except for the 42" price indicated to be $10,000. Good indication of what is to come though.

     
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    Hi 38H21543,

    I would expect it to retail @ the 4k to 4.5k price point in the UK.

    Best Regards,
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    empi67,

    Some extra info on the new pana lcd's from avs

    All new LCD models feature a three-line digital comb filter. HD models TC-26LX20 and TC-32LX20 deliver a resolution of 1280x 768, and include an HDMI input, and PCMCIA and SD Memory Card slots to aid in network connectivity. All of the LCD flat panel models have a brightness of 450cd/m2 and a 170-degree viewing angle. The TC-17LA2, TC-20LA2, TC-26LX20 and TC-32LX20 feature a 500:1 contrast ratio, while the TC-14LA2 delivers a 450:1 contrast ratio.

    The connectivity is really bringing Pana up to the top now.

    Wasabi
     
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    Provided the connection faries don't get at them before they hit UK shores and once again remove some of the connection options that our US cousins can enjoy. :mad:

    JVC X575 series due later this year also looks interesting, with promised HDMI input.
     
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    Thanks for all the input guys.... really have made me feel more then welcome here...

    BUT

    think i have ended up more confused than ever now... really from bring sold on the sony..to then allmost going for the sharp... but hesring about the overscan and new models i am not sure what to go for...

    any ideas when the UK will be seeing the panny?
     
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    Here is some news on the new Philips LCD's and plasma with HDMI and Pixel Plus2 from - http://www.areadvd.de/news/2004/200402/070220040002.shtml

    Philips revised and now offers its picture-better "pixel plus" these in different flat screens, which are introduced on the CeBIT. According to Philips "pixel is to bring the 2" following advantages to pluses: The picture improvement technology optimizes the color reproduction and increases the dissolution and picture depth over up to 30 per cent. PIXEL PLUS 2 covers a combination from 16 digital procedures to the picture optimization, among other things dynamic Contrast and digitally Natural Motion. Each input signal can process the Philips's technology inclusive signals over antenna, satellite or cable, Interlace and progressive DVD, digital TV (DVB/MHP) and hp transmissions. The all digital PIXELS PLUS 2-Verarbeitung with 10-bits provides particularly by the minimum number of A/D- and D/A Konvertierungsschritten for an optimal image quality. PIXEL PLUS 2 is used into five new Flat TV models and two broad picture televisions.

    Philips stresses still more clearly the "Ambi Light" system, which does not improve directly the image quality with the new devices, but rather subjectively the television to make more pleasant is: Ambi Light is a background lighting, which is radiated from the back of the television set and which illuminates behind it lying wall. This is to lead to an improved image quality perception and to reduce effecteffect effects as well as reflections on the screen. In addition as required and taste the light intensity and the color can be adjusted to red, green, blue or any mixture from these colors. Color and brightness of the system are steered via the remote maintenance.

    For technology Freaks substantially more interesting it might be that also with an HDMI entrance provided Philips's all five new models. The new flat screens are equipped all together also with panels, which are suitable for the representation of HDTV content.

    32PF9986 (LCD, 81 cm Diagonale): 4.500,- € (UVP), verfügbar ab: April 2004
    TFT-LCD, Active Matrix, 82 cm (1366 x 768) WXGA M-VA
    < 12 ms
    Helligkeit 450 cd/qm
    Kontrast 800:1
    Betrachtungswinkel: 170° / 170°

    37PF9986 (LCD, 94 cm Diagonale): 7.000,- € (UVP), verfügbar ab: Juli 2004
    TFT-LCD, Active Matrix, 94 cm (1366 x 768)
    WXGA M-VA < 12 ms
    Helligkeit 400 cd/qm
    Kontrast 800:1
    Betrachtungswinkel170° / 170°

    42PF9986 (LCD, 106 cm Diagonale): 9.000,- € (UVP), verfügbar ab: April 2004
    TFT-LCD, Active Matrix, 107 cm (1366 x 768)
    WXGA SIPS < 12 ms
    Helligkeit 400 cd/qm
    Kontrast 500:1
    Betrachtungswinkel170° / 170°

    42PF9966 (Plasma, 106 cm Diagonale): 7.000,- € (UVP), verfügbar ab: April 2004
    HD Plasma, 106 cm Diagonale (1024 x 1024)
    Helligkeit 1000 cd/qm
    Kontrast 1000:1
    Betrachtungswinkel160° / 160°

    50PF9966 (Plasma, 127 cm Diagonale): 10.000,- € (UVP), verfügbar ab: Mai 2004
    HD Plasma, 127 cm Diagonale (1365 x 768)
    Helligkeit 900 cd/qm
    Kontrast 1000:1
    Betrachtungswinkel160° / 160°

    Wasabi
     
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    DOH! I knew after buying my screen I should have stopped reading this forum!

    Those look really nice. HDMI, true 16:9 panels, much better contrast (800:1 compared to 350:1 on the current gen). Lets hope they support interlaced component, 480p and true WXGA PC mapping


    Still, they are priced at £3000 for the 32", which would have been out of my reach realistically.
     
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    So guys do the pictures on any of these lcds match those on the current plasmas - i am thinking of the panii 6 and pio and or hitachi 5000.

    The reason I ask is, I ideally would rather not go as large as a 42 inch plasma although most of the plasma choice seems to be in this range. Besides I would think that a smaller screen would not ideally blow up so many of the defects too. Also I saw the new sharp in John lewis and its picture seemed almost as good as those plasmas - all be it with a smaller screen. The philips too however i admit the sharp was on slow moving scenes - but the philips fast moving (Fast and Furious).

    People complain about the contrast on lcd but i have to admit to me the contrast seemed adequate and the pictures bright (could be shop settings).

    So if you were thinking of spending 3000-4000 (the less the better) on a screen what would you buy and why - here the main concern is for picture quality for say freeview 50% and DVD 50% - forget pcs.
     
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    Hi all,

    Just saw the Philips 30PF9975 in John Lewis Watford for £1999 which includes a 5 year warranty. How long has this model been out? Noticed it got 5* in What hifi - March edition!

    cheers

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    Richard/Wasabi,
    Hi There, I have been directed here by the US AV Forum and hope I can get help....I noticed that Richard has the Philips 30PF 9975 LCD TV....I have just got one too and am very disappointed ...PQ is poor, worse that my 3yr old 29" Sony WEGA CRT....and have spent hours fiddling with settings to get the most comfortable view...as soon as I get one channel OK and I change channels, I have to reset the PQ. There is no technical help where I am altho I have been assured that the set has no faults. I use a Eurosat receiver with audio through a Sony home theater and video direct to the panel Ext 2 Cinemalink via the SCART cable supplied which has SCART connection on one side (for the panel) and Audio L and R and Video RCA's on the other for the receiver. Or I can send all signals through the home theater and take video signal from there to the side input via a RCA plug..... which is the best (BTW which input is the DVI one ?)
    I receive BBC World and Prime as well as CNN and Sky and try to use these as benchmarks for picture settings but having got one channel more or less watchable, I have to fiddle again when I change channels !!!
    I need to know how I can set up this expensive piece of the latest tech so that I can justify the expense to the already very concerned Minister of Finance !
    HELP!
     
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    Sorry Mate,

    I don't have an lcd, Im just a guide to what's coming out and what its got and provide opinions from the outside at the moment on this department.

    I think Richard is definitely the best person to help you here.

    Maybe if you search on this model, there are more owners of this one, whom can guide you.

    Wasabi
     
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    Wasabi, thanks for your reply.
    I have spent some time going thru the forum and have seen a lot of mixed reviews about this panel and I am hoping there is someone out there who can help me. I realise that PQ is highly subjective but there definitely are some features that should be commonly enjoyed. Out here in the desert, this kind of frustration can lead to strange personal behaviour ! Hope there are some answers forthcoming !
     
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    'Generally', I love my PQ. I do watch through Tivo, which tends to increase image brightness and saturation, and increase MPEG noise. So I am starting to watch more often through AUX bypass (so that I get the Sky image directly)

    I watch through svideo on EXT2.

    I do notice some noise, even on good channels, when up very close and low down, but from normal viewing distances its much better than my old 32" widescreen CRT

    You can only change 'personal' smart settings. Any of the others are presets. You can have one personal setting per connection for colour, brightness etc, but I think the digital settings are shared (pixel plus, DNR etc)

    There is a settings thread for this TV - worth searching on the model number, or my user name?

    Let us know how you get on.
     

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