Any chance HD-DVD players will become multi-region?

astirling

Well-known Member
I'm referring to playing standard DVD's here. I'm keen to upgrade to HD-DVD but I've got an awful lot of R1 DVD's that I still want to watch. I don't have room for my existing player and an HD-DVD one so I'm kind of struggling. My best option at the moment is to import a R1 HD-DVD and use either my X-Box360 or my Pioneer 530H for R2 DVD playback.
 

Rasczak

Distinguished Member
There is virtually no chance of the US Toshiba models (either) ever being modded to be multi-region - they simply don't support PAL. Hopefully the UK HD DVD player will support R2 PAL discs and will be moddable to be multi-region PLA/NTSC playback.
 

raw27

Active Member
Hi

Well i tried a uk disc and the player told me wrong region, so then i used DVD shrink and removed the region code then tried again and this time the player showed a message saying "PAL disc not able to play". So the player nos it is a pal disc and as the tosh is more like a computer im sure some one out there will get around this and let it play all regions and Pal disc etc

Thanks
 

Matt Horne

Well-known Member
The us machines do not have the chips to be able to handle PAL so theres no workaround..
 

Nic Rhodes

Well-known Member
raw27 said:
Well i tried a uk disc and the player told me wrong region, so then i used DVD shrink and removed the region code then tried again and this time the player showed a message saying "PAL disc not able to play". So the player nos it is a pal disc and as the tosh is more like a computer im sure some one out there will get around this and let it play all regions and Pal disc etc
This is as I have reported before. R2 DVDs are both PAL and NTSC so I always presume that a UK HD DVD players will have PAL and NTSC capabilities that were not needed in US.
 

crispybig

Novice Member
Does anyone know of any software (similar to DVD Shrink) that will convert from PAL to NTSC while doing backups? Obviously all the burning software can handle PAL and NTSC (and probably SECAM too) as they are used worldwide. Same goes for the burning hardware - the same eveywhere.

So the difference is just in the encoding, and someone has surely written a transcoder? Legally too, I would think, as no "laws" are being broken.

A bit of scaling would be required to get the 576 lines down to 480, but that is routine stuff. Maybe not even that for wide ARs (e.g. 2.40) as just the blank lines could be cropped.

If such a beastie existed we could play our NTSC backups of our PAL DVDs - couldn't we?
 

Knyght_byte

Novice Member
Ulead Movie Factory 5 can transfer from Pal to NTSC quite happily....i imagine a few other products do it too......otherwise it means a hell of a lot of hard work doing various stuff the long way, do a search and you'll find potential free options, or buy a package to do it the easy way...lol

btw, it isnt just the video, you need to adjust the sound too due to the ever so slight varience in speed.....hence using a paid for package is a lot easier....lol

(friend of mine is from the philippines and gets videos sent from home on NTSC VCD every so often, weddings, funerals, birthays etc, so he paid for the package i use and i code them over to PAL DVD for him....)
 

JUS

Well-known Member
this is interesting...in the early days of dvd I bought a US Toshiba player..3109 I think...I'm now using the transformer from that for my XA1 :) ....the player was modded to play UK discs...and it could handle both NTSC & PAL...so I am surprised this isn't the case with these players...are you sure it's not a software restriction?
 

Nic Rhodes

Well-known Member
I am sure it is a software restriction, all someone needs to do is write the software which is potentially a pretty enormous task. DVD is trivial in comparison. We are not just talking changing a 1 or 2, we are talking a significant change to almost 60Mb of firmware (for NTSC only). The player certainly recognises PAL and many of the bits are in there in theory but for all intents without the software it just doesn't process PAL. Giving people 'hope' I think is the wrong message here I think. I would love it BUT....NO :)
 

Matt Horne

Well-known Member
Now I am confused.. so hardware wise theres nothing to stop the Tosh from playing PAL dics ? Just the firmware ? I thought it was missing some specific chips to do the job ??
 

Steve.EX

Active Member
Am i completely wrong in thinking that there was the 'threat' of any 'customised' players becoming 'disabled' on and via ethernet connection?
Big Brother etc?
 

Nic Rhodes

Well-known Member
Matt Horne said:
Now I am confused.. so hardware wise theres nothing to stop the Tosh from playing PAL dics ? Just the firmware ? I thought it was missing some specific chips to do the job ??

This is EXACTLY my point, it is irrelevant whether it is hardware or software, it aint going to happen. The US HD DVD players DON'T DO PAL. Any talk about the possibilities will just raise unrealistic expectations.
 

Duncan Harvey

Novice Member
I must admit I thought there might be a work around so that once everything was scaled up to either 720 or 1080 it would work. I can understand it not working with 576p.

Still its not exactly a hassle having to maintain a separate DVD player for R2.
 

StooMonster

Well-known Member
Matt Horne said:
The us machines do not have the chips to be able to handle PAL so theres no workaround..
Rasczak said:
There is virtually no chance of the US Toshiba models (either) ever being modded to be multi-region - they simply don't support PAL.
Chaps, do you mean they don't support PAL over RF? Or do you mean they don't support 576i/576p output over HDMI/component?

If you mean the second I'd like to know where you get that information, because it appears to me that Toshiba use off-the-shelf Broadcom chips that support all formats. Look them up on Broadcom.com yourself and check the specs.

As to firmware, it's likely to be the same for US and Euro models -- Japan may be same too, depends on things like character support I recon -- otherwise life starts to get complex when you're trying to fix bugs in two different sets of 60Mb code. Why keep two source trees? That's the most expensive approach, why would they do that?

StooMonster
 

pjclark1

Novice Member
I'm with StooMonster on this one

I don't believe it is commercially viable to make machines that can only play one region/standard disk. In the past manufacturers have made one machine to sell to all markets and set the restrictions via remote commands during the testing. Hence why so many region hacks are available via standard or specialist remotes. Once Toshiba have released players for all regions, I believe the firmwares will again be unlockable via remote hacks. At the moment there may have been no firmware written for PAL regions, but I am sure this will change in time.
 

jsgreen89

Novice Member
pjclark1 said:
I'm with StooMonster on this one

I don't believe it is commercially viable to make machines that can only play one region/standard disk. In the past manufacturers have made one machine to sell to all markets and set the restrictions via remote commands during the testing. Hence why so many region hacks are available via standard or specialist remotes. Once Toshiba have released players for all regions, I believe the firmwares will again be unlockable via remote hacks. At the moment there may have been no firmware written for PAL regions, but I am sure this will change in time.
Yeah I guess when the PAL version of the A1 is released in the UK, somebody can compare the firmware to the NTSC version and create a region-free version.

That's what i'm hoping for anyway :D
 

Nic Rhodes

Well-known Member
The ideal will be one software that will give us what we (I) want. However it is routine to have NTSC only DVD players in the US and th same 'identical' player in the UK which is PAL and NTSC. Two different softwares. I wish it was different. I guess we will know more when someone tries flashing the UK software on a US player :)
 

bsuttie

Novice Member
raw27 said:
Hi

Well i tried a uk disc and the player told me wrong region, so then i used DVD shrink and removed the region code then tried again and this time the player showed a message saying "PAL disc not able to play". So the player nos it is a pal disc and as the tosh is more like a computer im sure some one out there will get around this and let it play all regions and Pal disc etc

Thanks
Has anyone taken this a stage further. i.e. on a region free PAL DVD edit the ifo files to declare the VTSs as NTSC (even though they are still PAL - certainly wouldn't want to consider converting the video). Just curious, don't have a player myself, yet.

regards

Brian
 

Nic Rhodes

Well-known Member
bsuttie said:
Has anyone taken this a stage further. i.e. on a region free PAL DVD edit the ifo files to declare the VTSs as NTSC (even though they are still PAL - certainly wouldn't want to consider converting the video). Just curious, don't have a player myself, yet.

regards

Brian

Brian

if you can make such a disc, I will test it.
 

StooMonster

Well-known Member
Nic Rhodes said:
I guess we will know more when someone tries flashing the UK software on a US player :)
Will HD-A1 firmware work on HD-E1 machine and vice versa? That was my thought.

One thing to consider, in the PC world -- and HD A1 uses a PC's HD DVD drive -- region codes are in the hardware of the drive as well as the OS and as well as the application (three levels in Windows). So perhaps the region encoding is in the HD DVD drive as well as the firmware?

Can you use HD-A1 (American) firmware on HD-XA1 (Japanese) machine?

StooMonster
 

Nic Rhodes

Well-known Member
I don't think we know StooM, I have never seen anything on this.

Brian

you have PM
 

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