Well I started looking at getting a DVD recorder because my girlfriend would like to archive her huge VHS collection to less bulky DVDs. And further archiving of TV programs in the future (she likes to keep everything). I myself am more interested in the timeshifting capabilities and so a HDD recorder would seem a good idea. We don't have any digi boxes yet, so just terrestrial analogue. Difficult to describe, but I thought there could be an issue with trying to use a DVDR for both these purposes - you have to decide in advance if you want to timeshift (pref DVD-RAM), or archive (DVD-R) the program. i.e. if I record a film to DVD-RAM and then decide I want to keep it, you can't copy it to DVD-R using the single machine. I could buy parts for my PC I guess, but the obvious solution seems to be DVDR/HDD which gives the best of both. Record everything to HDD, trim, edit and then archive to DVD-R if needed. So, apart from the thought that ideally I love the idea of TiVo or something with EPG etc, I think I will settle for a DVDR/HDD combo as the best compromise. And the Panasonic DMR-E85 or Toshiba RDXS32 seem like the two best candidates. Any comments on anything obvious I have overlooked in the above would be welcome, but hopefully I won't have to completely restart my descision process I have reviewed the threads I could find on the suject - including the huge RDX thread and 2 comparison ones - and started to look through the Tosh manual (does anyone know if the E85 manual is available anywhere?), but I wanted to confirm a few thoughts on the pros and cons as far as I see them. They look v.similar for my needs and the important distinguishing features would seem to be - Panasonic DMR-E85 No DVD -> HDD e.g. to copy/edit from -R/RAM to a new -R via HDD Have to remember to put it in standby Higher quality recording in the 2:30-3hr region. Nice looking box Toshiba RDXS32 Record priority - so no worrying about whether you have left it in the right mode DVD -> HDD is possible I've seen comments about the RDX being less friendly. Are there any examples of this? The -RW is a nice extra, but not a descision factor. Noise would be an issue, but I gather that is down to individual units. So, currently I'd say the RDX is winning. I guess a rather critical question - I hear these are a bit scarce. How likely are places (Richer would be good) to have any stock of these things (assuming I actually make up my mind soonish). Thanks for reading all that, sorry for such a long rambling post, especially as it's my first. I hope there aren't any introductory traditions I missed out on.