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Another new HD processor - NEC TheaterSync

Discussion in 'Projectors, Screens & Video Processors' started by Welwynnick, Sep 7, 2005.

  1. Welwynnick

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    Oh my goodness me.

    You wait all that time for a video processor to do per-pixel motion-adaptive and inverse tele-cine de-interlacing at 1080i, and then a whole bus-load come along.

    NEC have just thrown their hat in the ring with the TheaterSync. This again uses the Silicon Optix Realta HQV processor - one trillion floating-point operations per second and all that.

    http://www.necvisualsystems.com/app...Details/appl_productDetail.cfm?Product_id=477

    This has all the different possible types of input and output, but only one of each. It's a nice, slim box, but maybe not so good as a switching hub.

    Price: $3595

    Remember that big Home Cinema Choice shootout between the VisionHDP, iScan HD+, Crystallio and the Cinematiq .........?

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    I don't belieeeve it! Another one. Optoma have announced their own HD scaler, the VX3000, which is based on one of the Gennum processors. They will be demonstrating it at CEDIA. Maybe there are some others, too. Maybe with competition between Silicon Optix and Gennum, we will start to find these chips in the actual displays, or in up-market, up-scaling surround processors and amplifiers. These chips must cost hundreds of pounds each, but who knows? Denon, Arcam, Marantz,... anyone?

    Nick


    "Here are some quick facts about VX3000:

    Gennum GF9350 10-bt video processor
    * 480i/576i/1080i motion adaptive de-interlacing with film modes
    * content adaptive noise reduction and detail enhancement
    * Up to 3 user definable display format
    * Four-side independent edge masking
    * Independent horizontal and vertical zoom control

    Dedicated imag engine chip for color management
    * powerful edge enhancement with a user mode that can set coring limits and individual enhancement strength
    * RGBCYM color management system with 15 regions control of saturation/hue independenly for each color
    * Content adaptive Black & White extensions
    * User gamma curve

    Other features:
    * Brushed anodized aluminum case with 3mm/5mm thickness
    * 3x HDMI, 2x BNC RGBHV/YPbPr, 2x YPbPr, 2x S-video, 2x composite
    * 1x VGA, 1x S-video, 1x composite in front for notebook, camcorder, ... etc.
    * 1x HDMI output, 2x 12V programmable trigger, 1x RS232
    * lots of memories for connection, adjustment and displays

    The software architecture is designed for installation or user calibrations to maximizing the dynamic range.

    Optoma will show the VX3000 demo on two projection technology, one with H77 720p front projector, and one with 1080p DLP in a rear projection setup."
     
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    Up to now any amp that has had some kind of deinterlacing in still hasn't been anywhere near the performance of a dedicated video processor. Even for comparitive cost of similar quality amp and seperately bought processor. It's a case of stick in a Faroudja chip and claim your getting hundreds of pounds worth of processing free somehow. Same for even the biggest and baddest DVD players. But these things are often advertised as being as good as your dedicated solution... so your average Joe Bloggs is basically being conned into thinking he's getting the best he can. I prefer a world where I can pick the best/most suitable video processor, audio processor, DVD source and power amplifiication to do the job. Just my 2c :hiya:

    But bugger me. Two more new manufacturers to the HT processing market??? Lordy. Although I worry a little about bigger companies doing this kind of thing when it isn't their speciality. The beauty of Lumagen, Cinemateq, Crystalio DVDO etc is that there are always a team of specialists on hand to modify firmware for you should you find yourself with an issue that couldn't really have been planned for. Especially Lumagen and Crystalio who have often emailed updates within *hours* of a fault being found if it is within their means (had an update from Crystalio Hong Kong sent over at 2am their time for quite a significant added feature I had requested earlier that day but didn't expect to get until maybe the next months firmware update). I just hope the likes of NEC and Optoma realise that to offer products of this sort it's not just a case of shipping it, and when there're problems claiming "Well it does what we made it to do, if you want to do XYZ else then we can't help you" e.g. Optoma's little RPTV 60Hz fiasco (which was never sorted), NECs non-support for 720p 50Hz then prompt 180 when HD Ready was announced, then confusion when it didn't work with some sources. So long as they allow for this then it should work, but I'm always dubious with bigger companies tapping into niche markets with the motivation being more profit and less the satisfaction of putting together a brilliant product. I like the idea of the one put together by the broadcast chaps though. Nice cottage industry type product, designed and built in the UK, can always drive up to Bradford and give someone a nice slice of 1:1 verbal if required :devil:
     
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    I'm with you there. Don't know about cottage industry, but I want to be sure they know what they were doing. Not just building a board and a box around a new chip using an auto-layout tool and some application notes, which is what too much electronics engineering involves these days.

    I usually rely on others to do research, but if you look a little bit, there's loads of information, and my speculation about displays is old hat.

    It's public knowledge that the Realta HQV processor is being used by Denon, Yamaha, Runco, NEC, 3M, Algolith, Calibre and Lumagen.

    The Gennum VXP is being used by Chryon, Marantz, Samsung, Optoma, Christie, Leitch, LG, Pixel Magic and, of course, Beijing Vision Technology.

    Of course there may yet be some others. Some of these are for processors, but others are for projectors, panels and broadcast equipment. The Denon AVC-A1XYZ and DVDO iScan VP40 will be next, mark my words!

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    Silicon Optix produce the Realta HQV chip, and now offer a turn-key "box-level solution" for OEM video processors. Presumably it is their chip on a board with all the different interfaces and house-keeping devices. It's starting to look as if several manufacturers are going down this path and producing clone video processors in 1U (1.75") boxes. The Algolith Dragonfly, NEC TheatreSync, Optoma VX3000, and now the Digital Projection VIP 1000 seem to have taken this route:

    http://www.digitalprojection.com/news/newsarchives/05_september06_vip1000.htm

    MSRP is $6000, but I'd have thought that only Lumagen, Crystalio and Runco would be able to command that sort of premium over the $3000 crowd.

    Remember long ago when people just had to chose between the Vision and the iScan? Nothing like a bit of competition.

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