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Annoying Black Bars

Discussion in '4K Ultra HD Blu-rays' started by Venomx999, Dec 3, 2017.


    1. Venomx999

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      Forgive me if its been asked before, but why do we get annoying black bars on most films, i may as well be watching the film on a smaller screen. You don't see football or any other stuff on TV with those silly bars.

      Does zooming in reduce the picture quality ? And am i right in saying the black bars are there because thats the format they need for the cinema ?
       
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      don't torture yourself, I believe as you do, and it wont be long before the black bar brigade decent with comments like it s how the director wanted it filmed! etc etc, I have 55 inches of oled goodness and grimace when I put on a 3D movie just to get black bars!!! despicable me 1 and 2 full screen, the 3rd with the dreaded bars, its sacrilege !

      but its never going to end unless cinemas do and then they produce films purely for home viewing,
       
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      This is a wind up right?
       
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    4. Venomx999

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      Nope afraid not I’m new to this forum and they’re genuine questions
       
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      Some of the best films made were made in widescreen, bring it on i say.
       
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      All down to creative choice of the filmmakers and nothing to do with how they need to be shown in cinemas. Have a butchers below as a starter for 10 (only the beginning bit, it gets v technical later in!!!) but it the first one I found and there’s loads of articles about the use of the 2.35:1 aspect ratio and how it’s been transferred to disc flying around here (try searching for similar topics and you’ll find a lot of ‘em!) and the wider tinterweb.

      Video Aspect Ratios

      If you want to watch a movie in this original aspect ratio (OAR), you’ll just have to put up with the bars. Zooming in may remove the bars but cuts off picture from the sides and does lesson picture quality (although by how much depends on your kit).

      You’ll soon start to love the bars..........honestly!!!!
       
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      I think the black bars look amazing when you have self immesive tech like oled and don't have lightbleed in the bars like LCD do.
       
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      Yep, totally agree. When watching a 2:35 / 40 :1 wide aspect movie on an OLED you don't really notice the black bars especially if watching in a dark room :smashin:
       
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      The bars are growing on me, but nothing beats having a full screen 4K/UHD
       
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      Except when you watch mostly 2:35 HDR on LG Oleds and then see a 'burn in' from the bar edges the next time you watch 1:85 content. Very obvious in blue skies.
       
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      Never seen anything like that in my 2 year ownership of OLED's o_O
       
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      Maybe it's an E6 thing. Or maybe it's my E6 thing... :(
      Sony also recommend watching 2:35 full screen with their Oled
      Fill the screen by changing [Wide mode] to eliminate the black bars. Select [Wide mode] other than [Normal]
       
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      Firstly the black bars ARE there because that's the way the director wanted it
      If you want to watch movies with bits chopped off the image then use the zoom on your tv.
      For some years now even the BBC buy in all their widescreen movies in their correct ratio so it's a battle you've already lost. IIRC in the last year or two even the big BBC1 Xmas day post Queen broadcast has been in 2.35:1.
      If you don't want bars stick to movies shot in the 16:9 ratio.

      Back in the early days of dvd the US were a bit backward thinking with widescreen too and quite a few films including some Harry Potter came out (only in the US) in 4:3 versions for people yet to catch up with technology
      Back in the 80's and 90's movies were often shot with a tv broadcast also in mind so they prepared the films as "TV Safe" so that they could be screened without the need to pan and scan. Jurassic Park is one where the 4:3 version has more top and bottom information but loses on the sides. The idea being that nothing important was lost in either version.

      But with home video catching up to cinemas for quality directors who really give a toss about the situation actually shoot even wider than usual.

      Presumably you never watch any tv material from the 20th Century?
      Or you don't watch older movies because they were made "before HD was invented"?
       
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      I own an E6 & a EF950v & can honesty say that I've never noticed anything like what you describe in your earlier post.

      Maybe you could post some pics (on the E6 thread) when you see it next time ?.
       
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      I posted a photo in the Oled screen burn thread yonks ago.
      Post #61 OLED SCREEN BURN ( permanent image retention)
       
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      I'm not seeing a recommendation, just description of aspect modes.

      Eons ago, TV's were keeping people from the cinema as both had the same picture ratio's. So Hollywood changed them to make the cinema ration something you could only see in the cinema.

      While the same can be said today, given what you'd loose by filming 1.77:1/1.85:1 I'm fine with the black bars. Even more so than having one of those ultrawide TV's we had a few years ago.

      But the OP's question is not a rare one. People dont know why and simply don't like them
       
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      I've seen this typo so many times and done it myself and I cannot work out why when we complete the word we sometimes add an N to it.
      Any theories?
       
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      Never seen that. In that case I would be careful to mix the 2:35 ish stuff with full screen in between.
       
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      Auto correct / spell check on mobile phones is the most probable reason.
       
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      No idea lol!!
      Nope it was on PC. Even just trying again just now I've gone to type 'n'. It was in my head that time of course.
       
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      It does irk me a little... we all used to have 4:3 ratio TVs as standard up until 20 years ago.

      I hated black bars on my vhs movies, but accepted it, as the movies were filmed in widescreen.

      Since then, circa 2000, widescreen 16:9 became the default ratio for TVs. But we still get black bars!!

      So forward to present day, we are now seeing (admittedly more common on pc monitors) 21:9/(2.35.1) ratio screens.

      If 2.35/1 ratio TVs becomes the standard of future, I have no doubt we will still moan as the directors vision will move to 3:1

      Reminds me of this scene in family guy
      Lawrence of Arabia
       
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      Possibly although I never post to forums via phone so the mystery remains
       
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      I never purchased 2.35:1 movies on VHS because the quality was so poor. And to be fair, the number of films on VHS in 2.35:1 was a very small percentage of titles.
      The first time I enjoyed watching 2.35:1 was with Laserdisc where quality was finally acceptable and near to broadcast

      Black bars, whether they be at the side or top and bottom will always be an issue while there is such a variety of ratios around.
      After decades of cropping 2.35:1 movies it does now annoy me when 16:9 studio broadcasts needlessly letterbox to 2.35:1 when showing music acts sometimes. The Jonathan Ross show is a culprit as are others
       
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      Yes, I forgot to add this to my rant. Sky sports always do this to prematch material to big up top of premier league table or derby clashes on Sunday afternoon.
       
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      The full text from the Sony A1 Oled manual is:
      The following are examples of images that may cause image retention:
      • Content with black bars either on the top and bottom and/or the left and right sides of the screen. (for example, Letterboxed,4:3 screen, Standard definition)

      • Static images such as photos.
      • Video games that might have static content in some part of the screen.
      • On-screen menus, programme guides, channel logos etc.
      • Static content from applications.
      • On-screen tickers, such as those used for news and headlines.
      To reduce the risk of image retention:
      • Sony recommends that you turn off the TV normally by pressing the power button on the remote control or the TV.
      • Fill the screen by changing [Wide mode] to eliminate the black bars. Select [Wide mode] other than [Normal]
       
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      Or to get back to the original point of the thread and why I raised this issue, just watch 2:35 movies full screen like Sony recommend... ;)
       
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      I always like a good laugh, my thanks to the OP for starting the thread.
       
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