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  1. lovemunkey187

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    What's the difference between this and this? :confused:
     
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    The Hell on earth box set includes the edited movie versions of Urotsukidoji eg Legend of the overfiend and Legend of the Demon Womb (it also has the awful 3+4 movies). The Perfect collection has the complete uncensored OAV's 1-5 of Urotsukidoji - These were edited down to make Legend of the overfiend (OAV's 1-3) and Legend of the Demon Womb (OAV's 4+5).
    I would reccommend the perfect collection (I own it) as you dont need or want to see the awful 3+4 movies.
    Also worth getting is Urotsukidoji New Saga which is a Remake of Urotsukidoji, with updated animation - altered story etc.
    Warning Customs will seize either box set if they see it as they are considered extreme.
     
  3. lovemunkey187

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    LoveMonkey,

    I posted this, several years ago, when this question (or a very similar one) came up. Here's what I wrote then:

    There are 4 Urotsukidoji movies, which are as follows:

    Urotsukidoji: Legend Of The Overfiend (Part 1)
    Urotsukidoji: Legend Of The Demon Womb (Part 2)
    Urotsukidoji III: Return Of The Overfiend (Part 3)
    Urotsukidoji IV: Infernal Road (or Inferno Road) (Part 4)

    Part 1 and Part 2 were released in Japan in 5 individual episodes, running about 45 minutes each. They were then re-edited by the Japanese, for Worldwide release, as 2 individual movies: Legend Of The Overfiend and Legend Of The Demon Womb respectively. These two re-edited movies ran for 108 and 88 minutes respectively - uncut.

    Now comes the tricky part!

    When Anime 18 released the recut editions of Parts 1 and 2, they added in an extra 54 minutes of footage. This made their combination DVD release (entitled The Perfect Collection) run for 4hrs and 10 minutes. "The Perfect Collection" simply contains Urotsukidoji: Legend Of The Overfiend, and Legend of The Demon Womb, plus the extra material, in their subtitled, uncensored glory.

    With regards to Movies III and IV, in the UK, movie III lasts about 150 minutes. And number 4 is banned, although a weird UK release of IV was released, containing Episodes 1 and 2 in still-art form, plus Episode 3, in normal animation form! Either way, it's heavily censored, so avoid at all costs.

    Finally, Anime 18 released "Hell On Earth": This contains all 4 films, but NOT the 54 mintues of extra footage, contained in the "Perfect Collection"!
    Therefore, to obtain the entire Urotsukidoji story, in an as complete and uncensored format as is possible, you need to purchase:

    1) Urotsukidoji: The Perfect Collection
    2) Urotsukidoji III: Return Of The Overfiend
    3) Urotsukidoji IV: Inferno Road

    Finally, just to screw-up things even more, "The Perfect Collection" is subtitled only, and Movies III and IV are dubbed in English or Japanese-audio only! Neither have subtitles in English, which is a real pity.

    Having said all of this, I can't confirm or deny if the "Hell On Earth" collection contains subtitled or dubbed versions of all the movies! Most sites say it is either subtitled in English, or has Subtitles, but I have yet to find ANY site that can give me a 100% accurate reply. Even Anime 18 haven't responded yet....!

    I hope this helps!

    Pooch
     
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    Ta. :D

    That's made my choice so much easier :rolleyes: :confused: :rolleyes:
     
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    LoveMonkey,

    Personally, I'd stick to just buying the "Urotsukidoji: Perfect Collection" which contains the original, uncut Japanese 5-part saga, (in Japanese with English subtitles, but no US-English dub), that we know better here in the UK, as "Urotsukidoji: Legend Of The Overfiend" (edited version of episodes 1-3) and "Urotsukidoji: Legend From The Demon Womb" (edited version of episodes 4 and 5).

    Volumes 3 and 4 of the "Urotsukiodji" series aren't really worth the money, unless you absolutely have to have the complete set of films in your anime collection. Plus, they are only available in terrible, terrible dubbed-English language versions.

    However, more-seriously-to-the-point, Volume 4 is essentially hardcore, animated child porn!! :rolleyes: I genuinely kid you not! :suicide: As such, I would NOT recommend risking importing this into the UK, as you will almost definitely get hit by HM Customs and will almost certainly, then receive a visit from the head of your local constabulary. :eek: That should make your choice a lot easier! ;)


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    So the japs get off on this sort of thing then pooch?, or is this just a one off in the world of jap- animation.
    I know a fair bit of this type of animation gets cut to pices by the BBFC. Does any of the decent stuff get through with out any cuts in the uk, or do you have to risk importing it all?
     
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    Cheers for the help Pooch.

    I've not seen parts 3 & 4, I just wanted to replace my Overfiend and Demon Womb tapes.
     
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    Hi,

    LoveMonkey - I'd definitely import the "Urotsukidoji: Perfect Collection" double-disc set, because once you've seen the full, uncut version of the story, I think you'll have a better appreciation of this movie.

    David - With all due respect, please don't use the term "Japs", as it's considered derrogatory. Thanks, mate. :) In answer to your question, the Japanese don't have the same kind of censorship that we in the UK and US have to contend with. For them, violence and sexual material in film, is different to violence and sex in real-life. Thankfully, although it is at odds with their media, the Japanese have possibly the lowest crime rate in the entire world, despite making some of the most brutal and uncompromising films!

    I wouldn't say they "get-off" on the material shown in "Urotsukidoji IV: Infernal Road". But they don't see it as problematic, as we do in the West. To them, this is just an artistic licence, and it bears no resemblence to real-life. But then again, you have to know a lot about Japanese culture, and their society. It's very different to what we in the West are used to, but it's perfectly normal and natural to them. Ultimately, what the Western world sees as hardcore child pornography, they see as nothing more than artistic licence in an animated film. Their society is very different when it comes to all things sexual. To them, as long as everything (no matter how extreme) is consensual, and between those old enough by law to consent, then it's okay. Here in the UK, though, that's not the case. There have been legal cases of adults being prosecuted for committing consenting sexual acts, because the law finds it obscene, even though the acts took place in someone's own home!

    Moving on: "Urotsukidoji" is a one of a kind title. However, there are lots of other titles, available, known as Hentai, which deal in just as controversial themes. Pretty much any kind of adult kink you can imagine, has probably got an animated film/title available that deals with it. Some of the more well-known titles, include "Ogenki Clinic", "Kekko Kamen", "La Blue Girl", "Adventure Kid", "Night Shift Nurses", "Sin Sorority", etc, etc. Be warned though! Most of these are extremely adult titles, and would be considered obscene in the UK. If you import these into the UK, you will almost certainly incur the wrath of HM Customs! As such, you import these at your own risk! I can't stress that enough! :lesson:

    David, you asked: "I know a fair bit of this type of animation gets cut to pices by the BBFC. Does any of the decent stuff get through with out any cuts in the uk, or do you have to risk importing it all?" Basically, no. Almost any animation or live-action film that combines sex and violence, or deals with rape, is liable to incur problems with the BBFC. If you take a look at the BBFC website, you will see that there are hundreds of hardcore porn titles, that have 15, 20 or 30 minutes of material removed from them on a regular basis, simply because the material is too controversial; too extreme; and is deemed obscene in some way. Even titles of these shows/films, get changed!

    If you really want to see extreme animation, then try "Urotsukidoji" first. If you want something else, then try looking at the Anime 18 website. Like I say, if you do want to see these titles, uncut, then importation is the only way, but it's a legal minefield, and not one I'd recommend to you at all! It's just not worth the risk, unless you have a really realiable DVD importation company you can trust. Don't forget: just because a DVD importer is willing to import a specific title for you, that doesn't mean they will be able to! Nor does it mean you will ever receive the title, and not get caught by HM Customs or your local Police. Many of the DVD titles havr garish, no-holds-barred adult covers that leave little to the imagination. One look by an HM Customs officer, and you'll be visiting a certain room, with iron bars for a door! :eek:

    Finally, there's no guarantee that any title described as "uncut" is genuinely the full and completely uncensored production. Check websites and ask questions before you commit yourself to any purchase. You are more than welcome to post questions here, for me, and if I can help you out, I will. Just be warned, that I can't say if a title is at risk of being caught or not. You do this, entirely at your own risk!

    Also, weigh-up the risk of wanting to see the film, versus the chances of being visited by the police, and potentially arrested! If you can't justify that, then don't risk importing anything that you are certain is banned/likely to have been banned in the UK or US! (Yes, some anime titles, are still banned in the USA! "Kite" is one example!) Apologies for repeating some of this information, but until you hear some of the horrendous stories of what happens to people who DO get caught, then people don't seem to realise what a huge risk importing some anime/banned titles can be!


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    Nicely put PoochJD :thumbsup:
    But please dont scare them off too much :D
    Also 'Kite' was never banned in the states - it was released in a cut version (a scene in which the main character has sex - even though she is under age)
    This was then rereleased as a Directors cut with most of the scene restored due to the creators clearing the storyline up and comfirming she isnt under age?) It has just been released again in a new directors cut which fully restores the movie.
    Night shift nurses had a whole story/episode cut from the USA release.
    If you do decide to import some Hentai - just make sure its under the £18 customs limit and order it off a good dvd store such as Dvdpacific. Its unlikey the parcel will be opened by customs as long as its under the limit. Of course stay well away from the real extreme stuff like urotsukidoji 4. But theres alot of very good titles to buy the 'La Blue Girl' series is very funny and OTT.
    Have a good look at the For sale forums on here or adultdvdforums or thedvdforums as you can pick up some hentai on there.
     
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    Hi Cap'n,

    Thanks for the clarification, and kind comments. :)

    I was aware about "Kite" being released in a cut form, and then re-released in a still-censored "Director's Cut", hence my claiming the full, uncut version to be technically banned in the US. I did not know, however, that it had been released a third time, completely intact. :thumbsup:

    I wasn't trying to scare people, but inform them that importing Hentai anime was a genuinely risky thing to do, with a very real chance of getting caught by HM Customs and the police. I didn't want people to think I was over-exaggerating. Unlike importing banned live-action films, e.g. "Cannibal Holocaust", HM Customs have been a lot more lenient in recent times, and it is possible to make a case as to why a UK importer should be allowed to own such a title.

    With Hentai, however, it becomes more comlex, because they are animated titles! And because the animation tends to depict sex and violence, with a no-holds-barred attitude, that leaves nothing to the imagination, PLUS the fact that customs will treat anime as a cartoon intended for children, it becomes very difficult to legitimise the importation of titles like "Urotsukidoji IV", et al. After all, you can hardly say to the police, "I wanted this film, for entertainment purposes". Nor could you say "Well, it's really artistic in nature, and I wanted to examine the underlying themes about repression", or whatever. The law will simply see "Urotsukidoji IV" as a previously banned title, and take one look at the cover, before snatching you away, and slinging you in the back of their van, with handcuffs! Ditto with many other Hentai titles, that have extremely graphic covers, and descriptions on the back of them.

    By all means, if people want to try importing Hentai, then certainly try it. Just bear in mind, it is extremely risky, because of the fact it's animation. I have imported "Urotsukidoji IV" before, succesfully, but I wouldn't want to recommend others take the risk without being fully aware of the pitfalls that might lie ahead. You may also wish to import from a UK-based e-tailer, where possible, and not from well-known e-tailers who might have their packages recognised by HM Customs. I used DC-DVD at the time, who never marked their parcels with any identifying marks, and also because I knew the people running the store well, by phone. (At the time, I was doing my Film History degree at University, and if I had been contacted by the police or HM Customs, my senior lecturer would have been willing to sign documentation as to why he felt it okay for me to own that title - which was for legitimate research purposes. Most people won't have that option available to them. I flogged the disc afterwards, because I didn't like it at all! Too nasty for me to tolerate!)

    Cheers! :)


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    sorry all :oops: did not even think about what i was typing thier :lesson:
    My apologies for any offense I may have caused :)


    Pooch, thanks for the info.
    The only animated film I have seen in this genre is one called Wicked City. I saw this on video years ago. I found it quite confusing in places, was this because it has been cut, or was I just not paying enough attention :confused:
     
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    Hi David,

    No probs. With regards to "Wicked City", 1m 48s of BBFC cuts were made, presumably for sexual/sexualised violence and/or graphic rape scenes.

    Having not seen this anime myself in years, I can't remember much about it. I don't think this film was ever particularly coherent, but nonetheless, you could try watching it again, and seeing if it is any clearer to you nowadays.

    The cuts may have made things more complex to follow, as will the English-language dub, which can really affect the story's plot/characters. Try looking at these websites here! and see if any of the links help you out.


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    PoochJD,

    I can rverify Customs problems with Urotsukidoji movies. I'm in Australia and tried to import the 4 from shonkey Japanese website (mainly because they should have been the proper originals). I never saw the movies(any of the movies), went to court and payed $2400 Australian dollar fine.

    I used to have the 4 on VHS with English subtitles which i picked up from an auction when an old (open for many years) movie shop went bankrupt (they went missing during a party at my house almost 3 years ago). I believe these were much closer to the japanese original than what is available today because as close as I can remember the 4 went for a total of over 12 hours.
    I am sure there are whole scence's missing from each movie.

    Whilst in China for the F1 last year, I copied the 4 to my laptop, only to find when I watched them they were just the cut versions.

    Anyone know where to get uncut or atleast very mildly cut versions?
     
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    Hi Boss,

    The uncut versions (or at least as uncut as we all know they will ever be available as) of each of the 4 Urotsukidoji films in the series, can be imported from many Region 1 DVD companies, like Play, DC-DVD, Movietyme, etc, etc.

    However, if you've already had trouble with Australian Customs before, then I can't see how you are likely to get hold of them, without causing yourself more trouble.

    The only alternatives, I can think of, is to see if you can either:
    - buy them from e-Bay, (risky, as there's no guarantee you'll get official DVD's), or
    - get a relative or friend to import them for you, to their country of origin, and have them then resend the discs to you in a plain package, in separate parcels, so that customs are less likely (but by no means guaranteed) to stop or seize the packages.

    I know that Australian Customs are s**t-hot when it comes to seizing stuff - possibly more s**t-hot than British Customs (which are bad enough), so in all honesty, you try importing these titles at your own risk.

    Sorry I can't be more helpful to you. :(


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    Since I am a new member of this site, I like to share some new information regarding the Urotsukidoji series. Actually its not new, as it is really just some clarification on the movies regarding parts 3 and 4. PoochJD has most of his information correct, except for his statments regarding the Hell on Earth box set.

    And, since I am from the United States and do happen to own The entire Urotsukidoji series, Urot:. Perfect Collection, Urot.: Return of the Overfiend, Urot.: Inferno Road, Urot.: Legend of the Overfiend (movie version) and Urot.: Legend of the Demon Womb (movie version), I'd thought i share a little information regarding the series.

    Well, with regards to the Hell on Earth Boxset, there are only TWO movies that come with the boxset; Urot.: Legend of the Overfiend and Urot.: Legend of the Demon Womb. There are NO, let me repeat NO, movie versions available for parts 3 and 4 in the US. There are only the original seven OAV episodes for parts 3 and 4, which are distributed by Central Park Media; available on two DVDs or in the Hell on Earth Boxset.

    So, with all that said, the only Movies you will be getting from the Hell on Earth Boxset are Legend of the Overfiend and Legend of the Demon Womb. The last two DVDs are the final seven OAV episodes for parts 3 and 4, not the movie versions for parts 3 and 4, since there are no movie versions available for parts 3 and 4 in the US.

    And, since you will only be getting the two movies, you Will NOT be getting the original five OAV episodes for parts 1 and 2. So, in the end, your basically purchasing 80% of the entire Urotsukidoji series. (20% for the Legend of the Overfiend Movie, 20% for the Legend of the Demon Womb movie, 20% for Return of the Overfiend and finally, 20% for Inferno Road). The remaining 20% is for the Perfect Collection.

    So, If you want to purchase the ENTIRE Urotsukidoji series, parts 1-4, episodes 1-12 and the two movies, (In it's most uncut, unedited, and uncensored form) then A; purchase the Hell on Earth Boxset along with purchasing the Perfect Collection or B; purchase the Perfect Collection and then purchase parts 3 and 4 and movies 1 and 2 each individually.

    Finally, there are NO, let me repeat, NO subtitles for parts 3 and 4. Since I own parts 3 and 4, I know this for a fact. The only spoken languages are english or japanese, with NO subtitles. Parts 3 and 4, that come with the Hell on Earth Boxset, can also be purchased individually. As with regards to the two movies, no, they too do NOT have subtitles. (Again, the two movies that you get can also be purchased individually).
     

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