Question Amp recommendations, used £3ishk

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  1. indus

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    Hi

    At the moment my system is

    Simaudio 260 CDT
    Simaudio 380 D MiND dac
    Audio Research LS17 preamp
    Lyngdorf Room perfect EQ
    Lyngdorf SDA 2175
    Monitor Audio PL300 mk1 speakers.

    I will upgrade my preamp at some point but am looking to upgrade my amp first. I'm after SS with plenty of welly as my room size is 8m by 8m.

    I prefer something lightly used ( but not ancient) or ex dem up to about £3k.

    I'd love a big Simaudio amp for system synergy but by the time they are at the £3k level they are over 10 years old.

    Any other suggestions?

    Thanks
     
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    Move up the Lyngdorf range - you will miss RoomPerfect otherwise.
     
  3. indus

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    Unfortunately modern Lyngdorf amps are all in one affairs ie you can't use a separate preamp....and I love valve preamps.

    Luckily I can still use Room Perfect. I have a stand alone RP unit ie it just does RP and I can use it with any preamp or dac
     
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  5. indus

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    Good call.

    I do wonder about Hegel though. An authorised dealer over on a different forum was also recently selling brand new Hegel kit at under half price.

    It makes me wonder whether there is an issue? Or am I reading too much into it?
     
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    did you miss the below conversation ?

    look at my post #7 ;)

    Question - Any Recommeded Speakers Around The £3-4K Price Range Worth Auditioning?

    as for what amp to look for
    here below are driving the pl500 with an air tight atm1-s, for example

    Monitor Audio Platinum Series PL500 II Loudspeaker

    and here below are driving a pair of b&w 802 diamond with an air tight am201h :eek:

    AIR TIGHT AM 201 H - Audiophile Fr

    and fwiw
    as a matter of fact
    indeed
    I'm driving my gold200
    with an air tight am201h now
    + marantz nd8006 (variable output) ;)
     
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    I know the guy selling the Hegal Gear and can vouch for him :smashin: Lives in Colchester and deals a lot of high end gear. He tried to sell me his H30 :laugh:

    I nearly pulled the trigger on a hegal h360 or naim supernait 2 but I ended up with a pair of Nord Acoustic mono blocks and honestly I have not heard anything that can come close at this price point. I am currently using them for both music and H/T with my arcam and dirac rc.

    Was at a shoot out where they out shined a pair of bel canto mono's that retailed for over £5

    The are ncore class d but have a class a OP amp that give them a natural uncoloured sound sig.

    Nord One SE UP NC500DM Stereo Black | eBay

    This is a bit of a steal as normally retail at over £2k

    https://www.nordacoustics.co.uk/

    Not a big name but the engineer colin is from cheltenham and his gear is sublime. there is no stockist so your saving a lot of costs. these would be rrp of circa £4K easily.
     
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    you talking about musicraft selling half price gear? they were a stockist but dont think Rick is anymore. believe he was clearing stock. do not know the ins and outs but it's go nothing to do with Hegels quality.

    Kef, Kudos and a few other big speaker manufacturers use their amps frequently at shows to showcase their new range.
     
  10. indus

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    How bizarre!

    I've been looking at Nord for the last few days after they were recommended to me on pfm! Do you post over there? Was it you who recommended Nord to me?
     
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    I do not know what that is :laugh: so defo was not me.

    They are fantastic amplifiers and I have finally stopped shopping since owning them. I will be moving soon and will have a dedicated h/t room so they will end up there with the arcam avr and will be getting a lyngdorf tdai-3400 for 2.0

    I know you like your preamp but that has some grunt in it, plus rp, dac, and steraming capability all; in one box so is something else to consider


    EDIT: pink fish media! that was bugging me hahaha

    still was not me I am not on there but whoever it was, I second them
     
  12. indus

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    Lol, yes pink fish.

    I had one of the new tdai machines on home demo. As an all in one solution it's very good indeed, but in imho my simaudio dac and Audio Research preamp (with RP and Lyngdorf amp) sounded better by some margin....and my preamp is entry level in the Audio Research family.

    I'm a firm believer that a high quality preamp brings a lot to the table.

    Anyway, may I ask which other amps you have compared the Nord to?

    Thanks very much
     
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    Good to know, I might look at another solution than the 3400 then.

    I have had the nords side by side with a super nait 2, creek evo 100a myself, although the creek is not a fair comparison. Neither really impressed compared to the nords and that was running them off an oppo Sonica as a pre.

    I have heard them against the bel cantos and that’s what really shocked me due to the price and they were both on the same pre if memory serves me well.
     
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    Thanks.

    Was that the Bel Canto 600m?
     
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    I think so. Similar innards but twice the price they were? Had a similar class A op amplifier I believe. If your local your more than welcome to hook mine up and test them out
     
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    Have you considered a linn Klimax twin, you should be able to pick up one with the dynamik power supply for around £2500
     
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    Here is a quote from a bloke on the linn forum

    "Hi all,

    I am the proud owner of a Hypex Ncore power amp (Nord One UP 500DM ST
    Dual Mono Stereo Power Amplifier) made by Nord (aka Colin at IQ Speakers, Cheltenham).

    Over the last 5 years, I have used the internal power amp of the Majik DSM, a Roksan Caspian and a Linn Akurate (pre dynamik upgrade). I've got to say that none compare favourably to the Nord. It's a stunning piece of kit at a great price. The sound is open, detailed and natural. It has amazing bass grip and detail as well as effortless power. It also drives a pair of ATCs with ease! Superb"

    "Had a demo of the Nord One UP 500DM ST (with Sonic Imagery 994 input buffer amps) in my system yesterday courtesy of my friend George. Ordered one today! Never thought I would go class D but it totally blew my Linn amp away"

    Hypex Ncore amps

    The Nords are something else for their price!!

    £1400 the SE one is on ebay atm and could put a cheeky bid in for say £1200. would be a great bargain
     
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    I hear what you’re saying but there is a very big difference between a Majik (£1700) Akurate (£3650) and a klimax (new £7300).
    If you read through the linn forum you’re see that no one would suggest that majik/Akurate are in any way comparable to the klimax
     
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    Of course I agree totally. Just highlighting the fact that a lot of people are swapping out amplifiers that cost more than double the price due to the performance of the Nords.

    I am not being bias cos I own some, I was on a very similar journey until I heard them a year or so back. they just sounded a league above anything else i heard.

    Of course there are better amplifiers out there. Just depends if there are any within the OP's budget?
     
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    I have listened to Nord amps and they are very very good for the money and depending on taste I would say they stand up very well against a linn Akurate but the klimax is another thing altogether.

    Plus it brings a whole new meaning to the phase, do you want to come home and listen to my klimax.
     
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    I haven’t hears the Klimax so your in a better position to advise the OP what’s likely better. 2.5k for an amp that retailed at over 7k!! That’s a hell of a saving
     
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    They are a bargain second hand, plus with linn’s fixed price repair/servicing which comes with a fresh 5 year guarantee you can buy with confidence
     
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    Crown XLS 2502. 2 x 440 watts into 8 ohms, for £500.

    Crown DriveCore XLS 2502 PA amplifier for sale | Bax Music

    That shop has a 60 day money back guarantee. Have a listen, measure it, test it, set up some controlled blind tests with the other amps on the shortlist. Let me know what you think. Put the £££'s saved towards something fun. ;)
     
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    Was gonna say the same, Crown is pretty much the goto for anyone who needs amplification in a professional capacity. Broadcasters, studios, stadium concerts, people and companies who's livelihoods depend on the quality of the products they chose/use. Look in the racks and you'll likely see Crown amps [1]. They have a serious R&D dept, they have probably the worlds most demanding customers, many with deep pockets (for the right products) and the technicians and equipment to test the equipment themselves before placing large and expensive orders.

    Sure it won't have the esoteric, artisan feel of a hand built amp made in tiny quantities by some guy in a wooden shack in the isolated woodlands of Scandinavia and if that is what your after then fine (people have always converted the hand built over the mass produced; myself included), but don't kid yourself that you're going to be getting anything that is noticeable, sonically superior to a well built professional amp that meets it's specs.

    [1] To be fair, you'll probably also see QSC, MC2, FFA, Crest, Powersoft or LabGru in those racks
     
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    With the greatest respect, you are talking absolute nonsense. I'm not after a pa amp for a concert.
    If you think a crown amp that 'meets its specs' sounds the same as the best A/B (and now D) amps from Simaudio, Pass Labs, Burmester, Krell, Gamut, Mark Levinson, Ayre Acoustics to name but a few then we are not on the same page.

    Sorry
     
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    Thanks for the suggestion but I have better things to do with my time.

    Why don't you do all that and tell me how you get on?:)

    Or can I assume you've done that already?
     
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    Fair enough, of course you don't have to, it was just a suggestion. :)

    I have done a fair bit of comparitive listening and measuring in my room and I can't identify any differences between power amps when they are operating properly and within their parameters (ie not clipping or introducing distortion), and just doing their job of faithfully amplifying the input signal and outputting it to the speakers.

    But we all have different rooms, speakers, ears and budget priorities.
     
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    If you ever decide to sell the standalone RP I’ll be your buyer sir.

    In the mean time have you considered these? Not sure how they’d stack up against more modern power amps but they were a legend in their time.

    MUSICAL FIDELITY NUVISTA 300 DUAL MONO POWER AMPLIFIER | eBay
     
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    Hi Paul

    I don't think I'll ever sell the RP1, actually I have an eye out for another one in case my one dies!
    All the new gear that Lyngdorf now makes doesn't allow you to bypass its dac or power amp ie its an all in one of amp, dac and RP.

    For some its a great solution but I just want the RP and the ability to choose and change my dac and/or amp. The RP does wonders in my acoustically challenged room.

    Thanks for the heads up on the MF. It's a brand I've never actually auditioned but have read very good things about.

    Cheers
     

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