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American Psyco, I just did not get it

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  1. dUnKle

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    ANSWERS MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS
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    Loved it until about 80 mins or so, any movie that has Huey Lewis is fine by me but I must have lost the plot somewere.

    What exactly was the film about ?

    [This message has been edited by DuncanWardle (edited 10-11-2000).]
     
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    All the violence was played out in the mind, and the desk diary, of the main character Bateman. The first clue on this is the cash machine requesting he feed the cat to it.
     
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    AAAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!! Spoilers everywhere! I've just received this and haven't seen it, so made a point of not reading Pete H's reply but boys - a warning would be nice!
     
  4. dUnKle

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    I gather the violence was played out by him and that he was just a nutter rather than a PSYCO but just how muvh of the stuff did he do. Not talking about the violence but things like the break up with his girl and stuff.

    Also did he kill the women with the gun ? as this seems to take place in a different way to that of the stylised killings
     
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    OOPS, sorry James. I just came back to add a spoiler alert...too late, apologies,
     
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    Read the book to see just how to 'really' kill a person. It's also the best way to explain the film.
    It's a good read, just so long as you don't mind a graphic description here and there of murder.
    The film is tame by comparison.
    It's the mind of a killer madman.

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  7. dUnKle

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    Yeah but he was not a killer madman was he ?
     
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    Well I haven't read the book but from what I can remember of the film, he was obviously a bit of a social inadequate - there are quite a few references in the film of him being a 'loser' etc etc but you got the impression from the film that he himself thought he was really cool etc so all the violence he carried out in his mind against the very people who he felt threatened by was a way of dealing with his feelings of inferiority. Sounds like a psycho to me... [​IMG]

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    I start to get all that now but I just feel that the ending was a cop out. It may work well for the ending of a book as in the written word you can always get deeper into the mind of the character, but in the film the ending seemed to betray the film.

    It worked in SIXTH SENSE and also to some extent in FIGHT CLUB but I feel that the ending of AMERICAN PSYCO would have been better if he HAD actually done the killings. As it was PSYCO was a great film but once the ending is shown there are far too many plot holes.
     
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    It used to annoy me when I thought a film used a 'cop out' ending until I realised that some of the endings actually made me question what a film is about in the first place. With an obvious ending to a film there is no room for self-interpretation of the story whatsoever - you have a story, plain and simple, whether its a great story or a poor one. The great things about films with endings like American Psycho/Fight Club/Magnolia is that they challenge you to analyse the story and come up with your own interpretations of what the film was trying to portray.

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  12. dUnKle

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    I think he shoved the one up the hookers arse ( sorry sounds crude but she mentions hospital treatment, and earlier on he was watching a porn video about anus's )

    He also watched texas chain saw and thats were the chainsaw fantasy came from.

    Its just the ending which let the film down. He should have gone postal or something in that bar and shown how his tension and stress had built up
     
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    I could not agree more. Love FIGHT CLUB, MAGNOLIA and SIXTH SENSE but I personally felt cheated by PSYCO.

    Everything makes sense up until he shoots at the police car. The explosion that you get is pure over the top Hollywood and does not fit into the stylised killings that we have seen so far.

    You the get into a USUAL SUSPECTS thing of "Who is Patrick Batemen?" and I for one stopped caring. Dont get me wrong I love all kinds of films and am not a die hard action or violence junky, I just felt cheated.

    If the violence was in his mind what happens to the hooker he picks up. The 2nd time he meets her you see her saying that last time she needed treatment and was going to sue. So was this just another part of his imagination or what ? Could he carry out some of the violence or non at all ?

    When he takes his Secratary home, you get the idea that he reaaly wants to be commiting these acts ( looking back on things ) and so does have all those things in the cupboard ( he does doesnt he ? ) and also was really wanting to kill her !

    Its just things like the old lady. Patrick may very well have carried a gun, after all it is America so did he shoot her ? did he get chased by the police ?

    For every good thing there are things that once the ending is revealed just make NO sense at all ( IMHO )
     
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    Geez chaps....do you have to analyse the film to pieces...cant you just watch it and enjoy for the cheery uplifting film it is.....if I want something to think about I'll get Dumb and Dumber!!

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    Its funny but this is the first film that I have ever bothered to analyse in any way at all.

    Thought AMERICAN BEAUTY was **** and could not be arsed with all those going on about symbolism and comparing it to my own life. To them I say Shhhhhhhh.

    Anyway why am I bothered about AMERICAN PSYCO, cos I loved the film, even after 2nd viewing I can somewhat get the end. The bit with REGAN on TV sort of sums lots of stuff up. And whats wrong with HUEY everyone knows that its the power of love that makes the world go round and that you have to be hip to be square [​IMG] And what would BACK TO THE FUTURE be like without him, what a guy, but YOUR JUST TOO DARN LOUD !!!!!!!!

    Anyway
     
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    The whole movie is allegorical and not meant to be taken litterally. It's theme is as much about governments and coorporations as anything. We all know they get away with murder... we just choose to ignore it... It doesn't mean the murders aren't real. The whole film is tongue in cheek comedy... after all anyone who gets that into Huey Lewis has to be nuts... In the end Batemen wants to be taken seriously... and he isn't.... That is the irony of the piece. So are the murders in his mind or are they real? It doesn't matter, because ultimately no one cares... and that is the tragedy of Bateman.

    Personally I think it's a great film that needs a second viewing.
     
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    I loved the film and it prompted me to read the book. They are both excellent. The book is just unfilmable, but Mary Harron did the best possible job and I think it is one of the best films of the year.

    The ending a cop out? Not at all. He IS a Psycho because his mind is that messed up but as is said he is too much of a wimp to even do these things. His mind has taken over. He goes to work and puts on a mask (the washing routine). All the murders were played out in the mind.

    Regarding the police bit, in the novel it is the only part of the book where Easton Ellis(author) writes as a narrator describing "Patrick did this" rather than previously throughout the book "I did this".

    Both the endings of book and film make sense but they SHOULD get us to challenge everything to make more sense otherwise we just would have forgotten about them.

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    You do all realise that it's a comedy though right?

    The film is as much a comment on the social conventions of the 1980's as anything else.

    The music reviews make me laugh everytime I watch them, he has such awful taste but is totally convinced by every word he says. The way these reviews are juxtaposed against the mindless violence is brilliant. He realises that his life is a total fraud and clearly it has sent him over the edge.

    This film is one of my absolute favourites.
     
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    The whole point of the movie is to show that society has become so disintegrated that someone can be psychotic and we would hardly notice.

    I thought the film compared shockingly poorly with the book. Maybe because the film lacked the violence of the book.

    I'm not sure that it is a comedy, but it certainly contains lots of humour. I laughed at some parts of the book, I didn't laugh at all when watching the movie.
     
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    Yeah agree there Squirrel,the book is in my top 2 books of all time (the other being a diary seen from the point of view of 2 cats and the `uprights` that live with them - totally the other end of the scale!!) and was full of humour,a great deal that could not be transfered to the screen due to the subject matter,the director did a good job,kinda more of an adaptation really.
     
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    i have to say the book messed me up a little bit, I really wasn't myself for a couple of months after reading it and I am not what you'd call impressionable.

    Getting back to the point Bateman is fighting against the society that spawned him in his mind. His world is so bland and insipid (in the book people frequently mistake him for other people because everyone looks so similar) that his mind rebels and creates this monsterous American Pyscho character so that he can feel like an individual again.

    I think all of the actual killings are played out in his mind rather than committed for real, although I think on several occasions he subconciously tries to become American Pyscho like the scene with Chloe Sevignon.
     
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    James, What makes you think that? Haven't heard that theory before...
     
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    because he's such a pillock, the sort of person who thinks being a serial killer would be cool but wouldn't be able to act on it! I think that Bateman and the American Pyscho are two seperate characters, the Pyscho being a persona he has created in his mind to ward off his feelings of insecurity.

    I will try and watch it tonight tho as I haven't seen it for about 18 months. I wasn't actually that keen on the film.
     
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    She always sounds more like a red wine than a person :)
     
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    The best analysis you'll ever read on American Psycho can be found here:

    http://www.cinephiles.net/American_Psycho/Cinephiles-Gate.html

    I loved the film but found the book a difficult read - not because of the violence but becuase of the literary style. Sometimes you could go for entire pages without a full-stop. I don't agree that all the murders were in Patrick Bateman's mind. The story was told entirely from his point of view but some of the murders were real, and the book makes this clearer.

    I loved the ending - the lawyer, the covered-up apartment and fading to the words "This Is Not An Exit". Sheer brilliance.
     
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    "Patrick Bateman did commit the murders"

    oh sorry I'm wrong then!;) :rolleyes: :D

    the film is too ambiguous to prove one way or the other, no proof is offered to prove either argument.
     
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    The above analyisis is just a viewpoint James, as valid as yours or mine. By stating "Patrick Bateman did commit the murders", it's not actually proposing to back that up but rather, just offering another viewpoint.

    American Psycho as a film and a book inspired me to know everything about it. I've watched it maybe 15 times and read everything there is to read about it. However I continually read new viewpoints on it and they are all just as valid as the first I read. I remember an interview with Easton-Ellis who said in his mind at least, the murders were all real. To me, some of the murders were clearly not and Easton-Ellis went on to say that the views of the author are not necessarily correct in this context.

    The only person who can say for sure whether the murders were real or not is Patrick Bateman himself. Unfortunately (or fortunately for the sake of the general public), Patrick Bateman is a fictional character that did not exist. Therefore, we will never know. That's what makes the story so great.
     
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    Not read that analysis yet; I thought he did commit the murders though.
    I read the book about a year before the film was released.

    Love the bit where he returns to that guys appartment & its all been freshly decorated....
     
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    So what do we all think of American Psycho 2 then?! :D



    Len,

    What does a 'Script Paramedic' do then?
     
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    Given that I wasn't impressed with AP1, I decided to give it a miss ;) :p
     

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