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Alpha 10 / A22

Discussion in 'Hi-Fi Stereo Systems & Separates' started by sounddog, Mar 10, 2003.

  1. sounddog

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    Does anyone know ... are there many differences in terms of spec and performance between the Alpha 10 and the FMJ A22 ... I understand the A22 was based on the Alpha 10

    Vikki
     
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    Mainly things like cap changes.

    My local dealer (stocks Arcam) doesn't think much of the FMJ, considering the price increase.

    Arcam are now made in the far east. :(
     
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    They have on their website details of a tour of their UK manufacturing site in October 2002. Our dvd player says made in the uk.

    Are you sure of your facts?

    Steff n vikki
     
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    I'm pretty sure the Alphas were the last UK made Arcam's. Are the Diva's designed in the UK, but made abroad?
     
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    The DV88 actually says "Made in the UK" on the back ... so I think thats a "yes they're make in the UK.

    Vikki

    Edit / Addition ... while I readily admit to being MAD and in the UK, the DV88 is actually of course MADE in the UK. Appologies to John Dawson and the staff of Arcam if I implied any of them are indeed insane. :suicide:
     
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    My A85 and CD72 are also made in the UK.
     
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    Where is John Dawson when you need him.

    :clap:Oyy John :clap: come and settle our discussion.

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    I remember reading somewhere that apart from the AVR200 all Arcam stuff is made in the UK...
     
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    IIRC there were some power supply changes between the alpha 10 and the a22 ... fmj specced are higher, chassis changes ... not sure if any DAC changes ... oh and a change of button colour ;-)

    As they both took the same DAVE 5.1 board I guess there wasn't too much that they could change on the main motherboard ...

    And I did go through an Alpha 10/dave > A22/dave > AV8 upgrade round ... mostly caused by the Alpha 10 accidentally injesting a large quantity of JackD & coke :-(

    Jon
     
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    I think you have all answered most of the questions now between yourselves. There are not large electrical differences between the Alpha 10 amp and the A22, but there are big mechanical ones. As I have said today in another post, the A32 however is an entirely different electronic design.

    For the record nearly all Arcam products are made in the UK.

    Nathan - why did you believe otherwise? I would also be curious to know the name of your local dealer (by PM). The FMJ franchise is a limited one, with some serious requirements as to stocking and demonstration and it may be that your dealer had some kind of separate agenda.

    Sincerely,

    John Dawson (Arcam)
     
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    Sorry John, don't want to get my dealer in trouble. He gives me pretty straight advice, respect him for that.

    Seen enough BS in the past, if they all told porkies I would only get my stuff from mail order.
     
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    FWIW I was thinking of getting an A32 but my local dealer (here in Lisbon) didn't have them yet (this was Dec 2002). He did however have an A85 and an A22. I had originally wanted to dem the A85 against the A32 to see if the A32 was really worth nearly double the price but since I was there I decided to dem the A85 against the A22...

    Suffice it to say that the A22 completely murdered the A85 :eek:

    As I understand it the A32 and A85 are based on the same new design so I'd love to see how the A22 stacks up against the A32 :) Friends who've heard both say there isn't a huge difference.

    Since the A22 was on sale at just €900 (about £600) I bought it. A bargain IMO as it was clearly vastly superior to the new A85 of the same price and probably not very far (if at all) behind the A32.

    On the Made in UK front AFAIK only the AVR200 is not made in the UK. You'll find it bears a striking internal resemblance to the NAD T761 and both are made in the Far East somewhere... ;)

    Michael.
     
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    I did the same demo, only my A22 was an ex demo model. It was a little better than the A85, but not enough for me to warrant the purchase (it was sold at almost new price). So I went for the A85.
     
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    Mine was an ex-dem (but mint condition) A22 aswell (hence the much reduced price). I'm amazed that some places are still trying to shift A22s are almost RRP when the A32 is available at only a very slight increase :mad:

    Michael.
     
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    I misread the price!!! That's an amazing deal, even for an ex demo!

    Like I said, mine was an ex dem as well, and showing it (dirty fingers). It had been replaced by the A32 by that time, and they still wanted 1800 euros for it. A little too much for an outdated ex demo model if you ask me!
     
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    How much is a mint A22 worth now? A friend of a friend may be selling one. It's about 3 years old.
     
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    I would say a mint (eg "as new") one is probably worth about £5-600.

    Michael.
     
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    Thanks Michael.
     

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