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All NTSC progressive scans will do PAL progressive When Multiregioned

Discussion in 'Blu-ray & DVD Players & Recorders' started by warrior99, Oct 2, 2003.

  1. warrior99

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    Hi

    I recently visited a av shop. For a demo of some speakers and dvd and amp. The amp was a yamaha dsp-ax640se the dvd player was a yamaha dvd-s540. And the speakers that were tried were the kef 2005.2 and the b&w 600s. The salesman was extremely helpful and put a lot of time into setting the system up and answering all my questions. One thing I found curious was when I told him what DVD players I had considered. I told him the cambridge audio 55 and the harman kardan 25. This is because of the price and the fact that they both have components and output progressive scan in pal and ntsc.

    He told me that any dvd player that is multi region and will do ntsc progressive scan will also do pal progressive scan, they just have'nt bothered getting a license for it because they assume the public already know this.

    This is because a lot of the manufacturers are japanese and oriental ect and they are a lot more clued up on this sort of thing. Where as we go out and buy a footy mag they go and buy a technology mag.

    I just would like to know if this is true because the yamaha dvd 540s menu did indicate that it would do both with a section saying

    progressive - on/off
    and then
    format - pal
    - ntsc

    thanks for any help in clearing up this matter.

    Incidently the picture and sound from the yammy was excellent.
     
  2. cwick

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    As a general statement, that would be untrue. I know my Philips 963SA doesn't support PAL Prog with *just* a MR hack.

    As for your specific player, I don't know. Although just being able to configure it in a menu wouldn't be enough for me - I'd want to confirm on the display device that it was actually receiving the kind of signal that the player *seemed* to be configured to output. If you see what I mean.

    Cheers, Carl.
     
  3. clancol

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    pal proggrssive is a different type of technology to ntsc . pal requries different prosseses therfore ALL ntsc proggresive dvd player will NOT output pal and as usual the guy at RS is talking crap.
     
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    Where'd he say it was RS ?

    FWIW I would generally assume that unless the player specs specifically boast Pal Prog support that it would always output NTSC when in Progressive Scan mode - i.e. even for a PAL disc, it will downscale to 480p.

    clancol - do you have a link for your paddle shop ? I think we could use a bulk purchase here at work.

    Cheers, Carl.
     
  5. clancol

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    Just an educated guess.
    Tell me i was wrong?
     
  6. hornydragon

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    Well RS certainly dont sell B&W so demoing B&W 600 at an RS branch would be Q difficult!!!!
     
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    Actually it was Sevenoaks
     
  8. clancol

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    Darn! did'nt read post properly

    my bad
     
  9. clancol

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    saying that,
    im surprised at sevenoaks stating such a comment!
     
  10. hornydragon

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    Thought so!!!

    Warrior on another note have you seen the limited edition HK 509/507 DVD very nice!
     
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    Without getting too technical.

    NTSC progressive scan should carry out a 3:2 pulldown from a 24 frame per second NTSC film source.

    PAL progressive scan carries out a 2:2 pulldown from a 25 frame per second PAL film source.

    Both methods are different and would not work properly if applied to the other source.

    You cannot assume a player does one just because it can do the other.

    The bloke sounds like he should work for Curries or Dixons.

    Torq
     
  13. bonzobanana

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    Doesn't surprise me, there was someone quoting them on a different thread and the salesman stated that conversion from scart rgb to s-video would be better than scart rgb to component. I know of no situation where this would be true unless of course you didn't have component sockets to plug into. ;)
     
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    Out of interest, anyone know what kind of commission Currys/ Dixons/ Comet sales assistants are on?
     
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    Don't know

    but it's a sure bet they get most of it from the extended guarantee's they try to push like hell.
     
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    There was a thread on the forum a month or so ago with a reply from somebody who does/did work for Dixons. He said that only the manager gets commission on extended guarantee's, but they have got to push them as it is in their contract.
    I don't know how true that is :confused:

    Mark.
     
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    Does anyone know what this means as i have seen it in the spec of the yamaha dvd s540:

    NTSC-Pal60 Conversion
     
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    the 930 sony looks like it will beat the harman kardan 25!!
     
  20. hornydragon

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    between 2 and 4% of the margin but the have penatration figures foir Coverp[lan that they have to reach and i am pretty sure that the cover is part part of the margin calculation.
    DSG as a group do make a lot of money on the extended warranty side of things.
     
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    RE: Dixons Extended Warranties

    This can be a great bargaining tool - you can actually get them to lower the price significantly if you accept the Extended Warranty. There have been reports of people who've got the machine for the sticker price by signing the Extended Warranty (ie they deduct the cost of the warranty from the RRP). This is because they are under MASSIVE pressure to sell these things.

    Any way, get whatever discount you can by saying you'll accept the Extended Warranty. The genius of this is that there is a cooling off period on all Extended Warranties, so you merely cancel the agreement the day after you've bought the goods and pocket the discount!
     
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    Converts NTSC to PAL 60hz rather than displaying NTSC as NTSC I would imagine.
     
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    As Jase says this encodes colour in formation using PAL method instead of NTSC's The signal is still 720x480@60Hz.

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