Alarm! till I made chaos with Yamaha dealer, Yamaha RX-A2050

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  1. loopdemack

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    Alarm! till I made chaos with Yamaha dealer, Yamaha RX-A2050


    Alarm! till I made the chaos with the Yamaha dealership, .
    Its about the Yamaha RX-A2050 independent zones.
    I don't want to make chaos in Yamaha dealership if there is some hidden option which would enable the independent zones for digital connections such as Bluetooth, server, network, Nas.
    It seems that Yamaha conjoined all network, server, nas, bluetooth, streaming, usb as single DSD source, which is one of the most idiotic move of all brands on the market. Seems the developer had pennants instead of brain.
    I will quote my question in another thread, and its now urgent thing because this device is useless if it doesn't support independent zones.

    Awful, they were clearly advertising independent zones, and I asked Authorized dealership regarding this. They said yes, but it could be that they are bunch of amateurs.
    I'm in shock when I see in year 2016 that someone is referring to audio sources as something that is essential in the era of digital integration, with the device that is costing 1500 euros.
    I see that I made mistake of selling Onkyo which is a dragon for Yamaha because independent zones were working like a charm.

    All the things I mentioned were working on Onkyo.

    I think that I need to bust some noses of persons in Yamaha dealership that clearly lied me, and made me lose my time.
     
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    I think you need to calm down, you will get nowhere with that attitude.
     
  3. Stuart Wright

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    English clearly isn't your first language, or hopefully you would appreciate that it is not appropriate to make (what reads as) serious threats of physical violence. Maybe a smilie :) would indicate that you are joking.
     
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  4. loopdemack

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    I edited my post because of the warning I received, but to tell you the truth, I'm serious, someone clearly lied me to get my money, I wasted my time, to setup this worthless unit, my idea is that with thing that I plan to do is just to settle the matter. I was serious.

    edit: Hmmm warning was on avsforum its not from here, I just saw msg on my phone and I thought that its was from here
     
  5. dante01

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    I think I pointed this fact out to you when you raised the issue in the other thread, but it is clearly stated in the manual:


    What I'd suggest is that you explot the MusicCast capabilities of the Yamaha receiver if in fact looking for a multoroom audio solution. Such features are not ordinarily regarded as being the primary role of an AV receiver and simply included as a supplementary aspect of their abilities. THe Yamaha receivers do however have a very clever multiroom option if you exploit their MusicCast capabilities.

    MusicCast overview


    MusicCast - Audio & Visual - Yamaha - UK and Ireland
     
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    I know I tried all that I can with musiccast and the best that I can get is 10 seconds of independent sound in different zones.

    This guy is clearly stated at this session that it cant play independently

    Yamaha MusicCast Info Session [20151113]

    Because forum doesn't allow embeded media at time point skip to mark 8:15
    Its a shame that Onkyo is years ahead of Yamaha and that just basic operations were ultra high tech with Yamaha. Shame, shame, shame.[/QUOTE]
     
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    Actually you mis-understand... the video.

    What the video is summarising is a little vague, but I'll try and nail for you... but hang onto your hat as it gets complicated:


    Zone 1 (All sources can play in here, from stereo through to 9 channel.)
    Zone 2 (2.0 audio : Inputs = Optical / RCA / Coaxial / AM+FM / network / USB / Phono.)
    Zone 3 (2.0 audio RCA / USB / AM+FM / network / USB / Phono.)
    Zone 4 (HDMI audio and video : HDMI sources only - and only via the HDMI output port #2 on the back of the amp.)

    Now - as the amp only has one network card it will only play ONE network stream at a time.
    So you can't play Spotify in one zone, and Pandora in another - the amp will simply make the latest selection play in both zones.
    You've figured this out, it's the source of your complaint.


    Interestingly - the video is describing a completely different scenario to what you were complaining about.

    It is describing a MusicCast eco-system, something that you do not have in your home.
    I'll sum that up for you so you better understand what they're discussing.

    Say you own a Yamaha RXA2050 and a WX030 MusicCast speaker AND a YSP1600 MusicCast soundbar...
    All in different rooms, or, 'zones'.
    Then - and only then, you can play three different sources at the same time.

    So - you could play Spotify on the RXA2050's main zone.
    Pandora on the WX030 (let's call it the second zone)
    DLNA on the YSP1600 soundbar (we'll call this the third zone).

    That's because there's 3 different gadgets and 3 different network cards involved.
    In fact, you could use the RXA2050's main zone to stream HDMI audio (from a Sky box, for example) to the WX030 (zone 2) AND the YSP1600 (third zone) - all at the same time, with independant volume control.

    Heck, you could even play RCA audio on the RXA2050, internet radio on the WX030 and an optical feed from the TV on the YSP1600 - all at the same time, all with independant volume control and EQ.

    Easy.

    However, what the RXA2050 CAN'T do, is stream Sky audio from Zone 1 AND audio from a Blu-ray player (also plugged into the RXA2050) at the same time.

    Put simply, it's not a matrix network sender.
    It was never intended to be.
    It's a home theatre amp.


    Now.
    Your complaint.
    You won't get very far whining on the internet and getting obviously wound up.
    Technology is hard... but the answer won't be found by getting stuck into manufacturers.

    Your result will come from the company who sold you the product.
    If it's a store, go into it and talk to them.
    If it's on-line, send a polite, but firm e-mail outlining your concerns and request a resolution.

    It would help to know what country you're in as you've posted this on a US website, as well as on a British based site...
     
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    @Dunners thanks on the reply.
    Hmm very strange that they limited device in such fashion if you are 100% sure that number of network cards is the number of active network streams, such as server, NAS, Bluetooth, DLNA, NFS, USB.
    As I tried I got 3 separate zones with a direct connections, like optical, hdmi, and one network stream.

    Also they made mess because any network stream would copy itself on all active zones, awful, like the party mode is always active or if all zones were linked even they are not linked clearly in the av setup.

    Let me remind you that I had Onkyo nr-818 and that I used all of his 3 Zones for separate network streams from one qnap nas.
    I guarantied that it could play at least 2 Nas servers songs in two separate zones and that it would play all zones separately. Onkyo nr-818 would never overran one zone with another if I don't give the command for such function, like Yamaha is doing.

     
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    I think basically so few people understand or use Zones, Yamaha revived MusicCast as this basically is meant to do what people want. Most manufactures are moving towards this style of delivery.

    I can't comment how good musicCast as I don't have it.
     
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    I also had Onkyo NR818 and used 3 zones simultaneously from 3 different songs form my NAS , i have to agree with loopdemack. This is feature that was supported in AV receivers 6 years ago?!?

    I made a mistake buying Yamaha 2050 because of great reviews i have read... but i am disappointed that this feature is not supported . Is there someone from Yamaha on the forum present who can help as achieve this function ...we need a new firmware to set free this bug.
     
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    That doesn't sound right surely? A computer only has 1 network card but can support simultaneous network traffic so why would the network adaptor on an AV be any different? sounds like a cop out to me.
     
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    It isn't a bug. The feature in question is not something common to AV receivers and was never included with Yamaha receivers or onboard the receivers made by most other manufacturers. Onkyo are the only manufacturer of AV receiver to facilitate independent and different network sources within different zone. Aside from this, an AV receiver's primary role is not to facilitate multi room or zone audio! If you want this then buy another Onkyo receiver, but do not proclaim Onkyo as being in some way better equipped than any other receiver made by a different manufacturer. If you want a crap AV receiver with a novel second zone audio feature then Okyo is obviously for you, but most people buy an AV receiver based upon that receivers AV capabilities as opposed to its additional audio zone features.

    You made a mistake buying an AV receiver to do something you'd not expect an AV receiver to facilitate. You're blaming an AV receiver for not having a feature most don't want that would not ordinarily be associated with the primary function of an AV receiver. If looking for a multiroom audio system then look at buying a multiroom audio systems and not an AV receivers. Can your TV make coffee or your iron clean your carpet? No, then why expect an AV receiver to do something it never claimed to be able to do and something not ordinarilly associated with AV receivers?

    I suppose this also raises the question of why would anyone want to be playing 3 different network audio sources in the same building at the same time? Surely it would be far less complicated to have separate network audio player located in all these locations than to rely upon a centrally located AV receiver to facilitate this? Why insist AV receivers should be doing this?
     
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    An AV receiver is an AV receiver, not a network audio player or multiroom audio system. THere's no cop out because they were never sold as being a multiroom network audio player.

    Go buy a dedicated network audio player such as one of Naim's Muso players and even their models with multiroom capabilities do not facilitate playing different network sources in different zones! You are looking for a specialist product and not an AV receiver.
     
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    You tell them Dante, some people want everything without doing their research. I know what I would have between Onkyo and Yamaha. And it doesn't begin with O.
     
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    and by the way, here's actually what Onkyo indicate within their literature:

    • With "NET" and "BLUETOOTH", you cannot select different inputs for the main room and separate room. For example, if "NET" has been selected in the main room and then "BLUETOOTH" is selected as playback source in the separate room, the input in the main room will change to "BLUETOOTH" accordingly.


    So no, not even Onkyo receiver can use two different network sources!
     
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    I did not say that Onkyo si better or worse receiver...i am saying that receiver from 2011 or so had this feature...dante01:
    1. You are right that this is not primary function of AV receiver but it is the FUNCTION! what is the point of multi zones.
    2. I Dont understand your point regarding your advice to buy multi room receiver...this is what Yamaha RX-A has but it is crippled!..you have to agree...off course i can spend few more $$$ and get desired effect. I want to get maximum of what is bought.
    3. I also agree with driver5 that this has nothing to do with network cards you mentioned. Onkyo had only one network and was able two play same NET source (i am using this as comparation - i dont advertise Onkyo...in fact i think Onkyo is worst regarding some other functions)
    and finally you mentioned that u can not comprehend why would i want to use this feature??...comparing to ironing and carpet cleaning...well, this is something that i find stupid to answer...

    And trust me, Onkyo could do this!!! you can take my word for it or you can test the model that i mentioned.
    The point of this post is not to argue with somebody but to motivate someone who is maybe reading this from Yamaha to unblock this crippled feature, since i think it is blocked for using too much processing resources. In any case it is good for future potential buyers to know limitations of this device not to make a mistake i did. But hopefully Yamaha will fix this.
     
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    I can guaranteed to you that I streamed two net sources at same time and one internet radio.
    For BLUETOOTH I cant make any guaranties because at that time Bluetooth was slower than net/server/nas option and I didn't use it as much as other options, and I cant be 100% sure what Bluetooth can do on Onkyo.

    I didn't bought newer model of Onkyo because the dealer didn't made me guaranties that newer models could play independently 3 NET zones.
     
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    Onkyo TX-NR818 does not have bluetooth...so i don't know to which AV receiver you are reffering, as you can see from posts i was reffering to this specific model.
     

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