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AE200 to AE700 (will my jaw hit the floor)

Discussion in 'Projectors, Screens & Video Processors' started by Tempest, Sep 24, 2004.

  1. Tempest

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    Just wondering...................

    You know when you 1st get a projector it's like the most impressive thing you've seen. You just play certain bits of certain DVD's to marvel at your new toy :)

    I've got a AE200 and the image is still stunning for the most part.
    Esp things like Monsters inc, which is so bright/clear/sharp.

    OK, so there is a tiny bit of screen door, but it's no way near as bad as some would suggest and I am sitting WAY too close so your would expect it to be a lot worse... but anyway.............

    Having a AE200 performing pretty well and impressing people who see it.

    If I changed to a AE700 am I going to find my Jaw hitting the ground again ?

    Totally stunned by black blacks, gobsmacked by the brightness and clarity and puzzled that I can't see any screen door even at 1:1 viewing distance.

    Or is it going to be more like, well......... I guess it's a little bit better. Was it worth it.........

    ScreenDoor I know will be better (still bit worried about the smoothscreen tech which I've never seen in reality - I like a sharp image) so I'm sure I'll be well pleased about that.

    I'm guessing it will be brighter than an AE200. Colours perhaps a bit better all round.

    The Black improvement would be the biggest thing to notice. (for me anyway)
    I have tried various things in the past to improve black levels (grey screen / lens filter) but for me they kill the picture on bright scenes so I have removed them all. and just put up with grey blacks.

    Just wondering HOW much better the AE700 will be.

    I am worried about the dynamic iris.
    Is it a cheat ?
    Will you see other parts of the image change brightness when the background goes from light to dark ? (Bit worried about this)
     
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    I think the difference in PQ will be great. First off zero screen door that is a very important if sitting close. Higher res for more detail and sharpness. More brightness and higher contrast will give overall more punch and depth and if fed with hdmi the image should be outstanding. Plus the lens shift and optical zoom make it alot easier for setup.
     
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    Nearly 200 views!!!!
    Guess a lot of people out there are thinking like me, is it worth upgrading NOW.

    What you say it pretty much what I'd expect. A bit better all round.
    I must admit..... I would LIKE for the res to be more like DOUBLED for me to upgrade. so I'd be looking at something like 1600x900 ish But not sure how long away we are for that to happen in the £1000 ish mark.

    I would like the new 700 But part of me feels it's more like a 500 mark 2

    Like a stop gap model (testing new developments) before the REAL new one comes out with the new LCD panels.

    If I can sell my AE200 I'll get a 700 I think.

    What's the deal with HDMI then?

    At the moment I'm running an AE200 from my PC via the VGA adaptor.
    I can't imagine anything really making any real improvment on that...
    Or am I wrong ?
     
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    HDMI is an all digital interface. it is better then any analog source. dvd players are coming out now with hdmi out with selectible 720p and 1080i. So with the ae700 having been fed with hdmi 720p (1280x720) there will be no scaling of the image because it matches the projectors res 1:1, giving a outstanding image. and it is all digital from the player to screen, were analog calbes are converted and scaled before the image is on screen.

    because of standerd resolutions coming out for Hi-def 720p & 1080i, the next projectors would be of these resolutions instead of going non standerd like 1600x900. but who knows. I think now is a good time to upgrade

    hope this helps
     
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    Thanks for that. Sounds excellent that you can get a DVD player to match the projectors panel.
    It will be interesting to hear peoples views of these players put up along side a HTPC with powerstrip running 1:1 pixel/panel matching as a stand alone player is certainly a neater/simpler sollution.
     
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    oh and the ae700 has double the amount of actual pixals then the ae200.
     
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    Given that no-one's seen the AE700 yet it's not really possible to say.

    I doubt that anything has the same effect as the "Wow" factor when you get your first projector, so I doubt that you'd be "totally stunned". The hitch up to 1280x720 would make a decent improvement on screendoor, but normally you'd still be able to see it at 1xscreenwidth. the AE700's "Smoothscreen" is reputed to eliminate screendoor even from a few feet from the image, so that'd be a definite advantage.

    I could easily appreciate the difference between a 1280x720 projector of recent vintage compared to the AE100, but I wouldn't say I was "wowed"... impresed by the difference, yes. It comes down to whether that difference is worth the upgrade to you, or whether there are deficiencies in the AE200's performance that will be fixed by the upgrade.

    I think if you wait a we while and see some independent reviews (watch out for Cine4home's take on it....) then you might be in a better position to judge (if you can get a decent demo yourself then that'd be ideal.)

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    Yeah, double is good. Quadruple would be better as it would mean pixels were half the size horizontally and vertically.

    I'm sure though that the res on the 700 plus the smoothing technology (which I hope is not blurring/defocus technology) would make a BIG difference to what I'm used to.

    I'm going to be VERY interested as to how the black level fairs on the 700 as that's my biggest issue I guess.
    As I said in my original posting I tried various methods to improve black, and they worked, but they also took down the picture in general, and I was not prepared to put up with that.
     
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    I owned a ae300 which had smoothscreen and it works very well. people at cedia in america claims zero screendoor at 5 feet!! the res of ae700 is about 2.76 megapixals and ae200 about 1.2MP.
     
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    Sounds good.
    I guess my only concern was/is that that recall reading posting on this forum by one of the BIG names saying how he didn't like the smooth screen technology of the ae300 as it looked like it was defocussing/blurring the image to achieve this effect. (not sure if that's exactly how it works)

    I'm sure they've improved this since the ae300 as not heard anyone moan about this point with the ae500

    I do like a SHARP image.
     
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    ....then smoothscreen and hi-res may not be for you. Strange as it may seem, the image will be smoother and more refined but less sharp.

    You are not going to get the 'Wow' factor you are expecting. Your upgrade will offer refinements over and above what you have.

    That is a good enough reason for most to upgrade but may not be the blow away factor you are hoping for.

    I went from an AE100 to an AE500 and HS20. Only the AE100 ever wowed me. ;)
     
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    ...... A true believer !! :D The "wow" factor is a one-time only event....


    S.
     
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    I'm waiting for true 3D Porn with a full body suit fitted with sensorama for my next oh my god event :thumbsup:
     
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    This is something I've been asking about a few times - are there any projector + standalone dvd player combinations at the moment using hdmi/dvi where dvd player actually maps to the correct resolution as the projector.

    At the moment I have plan to use a Pentium 3 with 300and something megs of ram, ati radeon 9600, M-Audio revo 7.1 (via spdif to amp) for dvd playback if/when I get a projector. If I can get equivalent quality with a standalone player it would be much more convenient (as long as the player can be multiregion).
     
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    I am interested in getting the 700 purely as the contrast ratio has been ramped up.

    I have a 300 which is 800:1 - yet, 2000.1 sounds v. tempting and a whole lot cheaper than my other favourite PJs the DLP sharp Z series.

    Cap :)
     
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    <OT>

    I had a WOW. WOW. moment when i saw the 3-chip DLP infocus 777 projector at cedia a few months ago. Obviously i got my first when i got my ae 100 :D :D, and i have since demoed the sanyoZ2, optima H30, and TBH, id rather keep an ae100 :p - zero wow with those 2 models. As i say though, it is possible to be taken aback, i was kinda wowed by the vivid images by the H30, but just they were soooo soft, and my word the rainbowing.

    if i can get something like a inforus 7205 or something, i think i would be wowed by that - as for the ae700, well as said, no one can tell until they have seen them

    Stu
     
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    This is one reason why I'm being cautious about an upgrade - I want to see at least some "wow" factor on my next upgrade, failing that I have plenty of other things to spend my money on. It all comes down whether you think the increase in perfomance is worth the money you're shelling out - so for each individual this will be different.

    My main reason for moving up to a 1280 x 720 panel is to benefit from seeing HD stuff "clearer" - at the moment on my 100, HD stuff looks like superbit. The 100's panel is suited to the res of DVD and the scaling that takes place to accomodate 1280 x 720 and higher images, in my opinion is really a major compromise. I am hoping to replicate the sort of clarity I am seeing on my PC monitor.

    If I were sticking with DVD there's little chance I'd upgrade at the moment.
     

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