Advice to improve the sound of my Home Theater system

Hello all,

Some years ago I bought my first home theater system and it has been working just fine so far. I studied the market with the budget I had available at the time and I read in many forums and specialised sites, so this is what I finally bought:
  • AVR: Denon AVR-X1400H
  • Front speakers: Mission LX-2
  • Surround speakers: Mission LX-1
  • Central speaker: Mission LX-C
  • Subwoofer: Klipsch R-10SW
I understand is not a superb set, but coming from nothing it was an astonishing improvement. I'm delighted with the Denon AVR, I have an HTPC attached to it and I can play 4k at 60Hz smoothly.
The thing is I have decided to upgrade the system and I'm in a sea of doubts since there are too many options, and yet even more opinions, and I'd like to know what do you think about it.
I need neither anything super powerful nor sophisticated, but I thought to buy some floor standing speakers to improve mostly the music experience.
My initial idea was to keep the AVR, and the subwoofer, since I'm very pleased with their performance and it's powerful enough. I have neighbours and a living room not that big.
My budget would be around 1000€, but without needing an AVR nor a subwoofer, or do you think I should change this one?
The usage is both for movies and music, but for music, I would like to improve, that's my idea about buying the floor standing.
On the other hand, the experience with the movies (blu-ray)/SAT (live sports) has been just grand so far.
In any case, I have seen way too much and I'm overwhelmed, for example:
  • Dali Spektor 6 Cinema Pack 5.0
  • Monitor Audio Monitor 300 Pack 5.0
  • Dali Oberon 1 Cinema Pack
  • Monitor Audio Bronze 100
  • Klipsch R-610F 5.0
  • Monitor Audio Bronze 200
  • Dali Oberon 3 Pack 5.0
  • Klipsch R-620F 5.0
  • Wharfedale D300
  • Q-Acoustics QA3050
  • etc.
Thank you so much in advance for your help.
 

password1

Distinguished Member
The Mission lx are very good budget priced speakers. most in your list would be a side ways rather than an upgrade

the mission qx, monitor audio silvers, q acoustics concept series would be an upgrade.
 
The Mission lx are very good budget priced speakers. most in your list would be a side ways rather than an upgrade

the mission qx, monitor audio silvers, q acoustics concept series would be an upgrade.

Thanks for the reply. I thought some of those options were definitely an upgrade. From that list, most of the people recommended me the QA 3050i and the Dali Oberon.

Stepping up the ladder, I got recommended a pair of Monitor Audio Silver 100 + Silver C150 to start. Then when possible buying the rest of the system. What do you think about that?

I read many good reviews and recommendations about the Klipsch RP-160M and Wharfedale EVO4.2. What about those?
 

password1

Distinguished Member
I doubt the 3000i series would be an upgrade to the LX.

The oberons are a higher level so should be an upgrade. i have no experience of oberons, those klipsch or wharfedales im afraid.

Are Canton, Elac, Fyne Audio, Kef and B & W available in your country?
 
I doubt the 3000i series would be an upgrade to the LX.

The oberons are a higher level so should be an upgrade. i have no experience of oberons, those klipsch or wharfedales im afraid.

Are Canton, Elac, Fyne Audio, Kef and B & W available in your country?

I reckon that some of them are definitely. I've seen those names in the shops.
 
Hello all,

Sorry for taking that long to answer the thread. I recently moved to a different house so for that reason I decided to leave the system upgrade on hold, but now it's time again to look into this.

The size of the room I have is about 15 sqm, the main issue is that I don't have physical space for a subwoofer, so I was thinking on buying a nice floorstanding speakers with a surround system, i.e. a 5.0 pack.

Any recommendation after what we have discussed in the thread previously?

Thanks in advance!
 

Gasp3621

Distinguished Member
Hello all,

Sorry for taking that long to answer the thread. I recently moved to a different house so for that reason I decided to leave the system upgrade on hold, but now it's time again to look into this.

The size of the room I have is about 15 sqm, the main issue is that I don't have physical space for a subwoofer, so I was thinking on buying a nice floorstanding speakers with a surround system, i.e. a 5.0 pack.

Any recommendation after what we have discussed in the thread previously?

Thanks in advance!

You don´t have space even at the back of room / either side of couch / behind couch etc? There is also some narrow low width woofers which may fit between speakers.
 
You don´t have space even at the back of room / either side of couch / behind couch etc? There is also some narrow low width woofers which may fit between speakers.
I'm afraid I don't have any space for a decent subwoofer. The couch also in against the wall so I was considering stuff such as Oberon On Wall or Monitor Audio FX.
 

Gasp3621

Distinguished Member
I'm afraid I don't have any space for a decent subwoofer. The couch also in against the wall so I was considering stuff such as Oberon On Wall or Monitor Audio FX.

But if you have space for floorstanding speakers then you have space for subwoofer. :) The difference is you don´t need floorstanding speakers for movie system, you can go with the Oberon On-wall or something similar and use the floorspace for subwoofer then..
 
But if you have space for floorstanding speakers then you have space for subwoofer. :) The difference is you don´t need floorstanding speakers for movie system, you can go with the Oberon On-wall or something similar and use the floorspace for subwoofer then..
The layout of the room is really particular, there's some space in front but some stairs on both sides, so the space is really limited and the size of a subwoofer would be too large. I just checked the size of the Oberon 5s and that would be the maximum size I can go with.
 

Gasp3621

Distinguished Member
The layout of the room is really particular, there's some space in front but some stairs on both sides, so the space is really limited and the size of a subwoofer would be too large. I just checked the size of the Oberon 5s and that would be the maximum size I can go with.

I had something like this in mind if the space is really tight. Still better than nothing assuming you watch something other than comedies/dramas.





However if even these won`t fit then the Dali Oberon 5 / MA Bronze 200 size is the way forward.
 

Jester1066

Well-known Member
The layout of the room is really particular, there's some space in front but some stairs on both sides, so the space is really limited and the size of a subwoofer would be too large. I just checked the size of the Oberon 5s and that would be the maximum size I can go with.
Any chance you can upload a picture of the room & a diagram, showing where you plan to position the speakers. I agree with @Gasp3621 - the smaller floorstanders simply won't produce the levels of bass any sub would. Especially for movies, you'll be losing out on so much of the immersive audio.

You mention wanting to improve music performance too. While better speakers will certainly help with this, imo the AVR ,(or more specifically the pre-amp section of it) will be the biggest influence on music performance.

Most AVR's whilst good at movies are poor for 2 channel stereo. Some are better than others. Marantz for example are better than Denon, Arcam & Anthem better again (but pricey). No AVR will match a good stereo Integrated Amp with HT Bypass for pure music sources. Then share the front stereo speakers with both the AVR & stereo amp. This is exactly what I do.

It would mean you'd need to upgrade you Denon x1400 to a Denon x3700 (as you need the AVR to have pre-outs for the front speakers). It also means you'll have 2 boxes instead of 1, so will add to the cost. So may not be within you (unspecified) budget.

A Denon 3700 will cost around £1099 RRP:


One of the cheapest integrated stereo amps is the Audiolab 6000A £599 RRP:


Since you like the Oberon 5 floorstanders, the Oberon 3 (and some stands - eg Mosseco 6) will cost approximately the same, but be easier to position. RRP £349 +cost of stands:


A matching Oberon centre RRP £299:


Some FX rears (Best as your sofa's against the wall RRP £329:


Re-purpose your current Klipsch sub. Or get a BK Double Gem (can be positioned both vertically & horizontally:


Hope this gives you some ideas! 🙂

Edit: I appreciate this depends on budgets etc. I think you need to decide how important music is in your system. I use mine 50/50 between music & movies. I also built my system in stages when funds allowed. 🙂

*just realised you're from Spain, so not sure of the availability of the products I linked to.
 
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Hello @Gasp3621 and @Jester1066,

First, I appreciate the time you took to reply and your great recommendations. While I enjoy and love music so much, the area will be more dedicated to movies in this case, being let's say 70/30 in favour of music.

I am a newbie here in terms of amps mostly, since I never had proper equipment for it. After reading your messages @Jester1066 I feel that I need to read more about it.

With that many options just looking at the Denon models, I'm very lost to be honest. Any good source where I can learn properly about terms regarding amps and what they mean?

I will upload a diagram later so you may have some suggestions. As I mentioned earlier, we just moved, and we're not sure where would be the best place for the TV, speakers, sofa, etc. so we're still thinking about it. But for me enjoying music and cinema is a must.

Thanks for your help, and I'll try to share that diagram later on.
 

Gasp3621

Distinguished Member
While I enjoy and love music so much, the area will be more dedicated to movies in this case

As I mentioned earlier, we just moved, and we're not sure where would be the best place for the TV, speakers, sofa, etc. so we're still thinking about it.

Room order that allows you to optimize the speaker placement like below link shows would be good idea. Compromises have to be done usually in living room so you do what is possible.
 
Room order that allows you to optimize the speaker placement like below link shows would be good idea. Compromises have to be done usually in living room so you do what is possible.
Thanks for sharing @Gasp3621. I will try to upload a pic with the room layout so you can have a better idea.
 

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