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  1. arussell87

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    Hello everyone.

    I will be purchasing a projector over the next few weeks and need some advice on some that would suit my needs.

    It will be used for gaming on the xbox360 and ps3 and to watch blu rays. It will need to be hooked up to a blu ray player that has 5.1ch (irrelevant lol) via HDMI.

    I will be sitting approx 260cm away and the wall I have is 178cm/w and 230cm/h and would be projected on a 16.9 screen ceiling mounted. I would like it to support 1080p. I can stretch to £800-900 but would prefer to spend £650-800 Max.

    Thanks for taking your time to help!
     
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    This question at this budget is asked regularly and the standard answer is Optoma HD200x @ £699 Epson TW3200 @ £899.You may also find the Mits HC3800 at £750 ish.

    All these are good quality 1080p units that will give an excellent quality image,the Epson is LCD and has lens shift which will mean you can put it almost anywhere.The other two are DLP which needs a bit more care when locating where to put it on the ceiling.
     
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    Hi thanks for the reply. I must admit I keep finding myself looking at the Hd200x, Is this model better than a Hd20?

    I would ideally like the screen ceiling mounted aswell as the projector, are they heavy enough that I would need to screw into joices?

    The optoma is more in my price range as I would need a surround sound also aswell as trunking and cables etc.
     
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    The 200x and HD20 are effectively the same, the HD20 is white and comes with a 3yr warranty the 200x black with 1 yr warranty.

    I would not fit a screen to the ceiling unless fixing into a joist,why not fit it to the wall at ceiling height.The 200x/20 is a light projector and if the projector mount was also lightweight you may get away by fixing into the plasterboard ceiling if you use the correct type of fixings.

    PC world are knocking the 200x out at £599 if they have stock.

    http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/optom...-9721-0a3328ca1f02&istItemId=qiipxtl&istBid=t
     
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    I only have two walls it could go. One has a fireplace and one has a massive unit with my tv so I was gonna mount it a foot away from the wall so its clear of anything. I suppose if I get a small screen it may fit above the fireplace.

    Strange how the warrantys are different, would I be better get the HD20 for the extra warranty. That seems a great price from pc world.

    Thanks again.
     
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    The HD20 is approx £750 with 3 yr warranty but a few dealers are selling it a bit cheaper but with less warranty.Hi fi corner are offering it with 2 yr warranty for £699.It's up to you whether you pay more for a longer warranty or less for the 200x with 1 yr.You will see no difference in the picture quality.

    Optoma Themescene HD 20 home cinema projector
     
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    Do either models suffer with any major problems that would be viable to pay for a longer warranty?

    Pc world are out of stock : (

    You mentioned earlier about more care placing it as its DLP does distance from screen come into play here.

    Sorry Im completely new to this. Im pretty confused with what size screen to get also?

    Thanks again
     
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    Optoma HD200X 1080p Full HD Home Cinema Projector: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics

    £632 at amazon, Optomas are pretty reliable and if it is likely to go wrong it will probably be in the first year.

    You will need to mount the projector so that the front of the lens is approx 10ft from the screen to get a screen size of 84" diagonal.See the calculator below for different throw lengths and screen sizes.

    Optoma HD200X 1080p Full HD Home Cinema Projector: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics

    Going to bed now so any more questions won't be replied to till morning.
     
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    Im assuming throw length is how far the projector is from the screen.

    Im just undecided where to put it :s

    If I sit say 8-9ft from the screen will it still look ok at 84" or is that to big?

    Also when it comes to a screen what should I go for. Its a very dark red room and will be ceiling mounted about a foot away from the wall. Grey,White?

    Also liked the ones with the black border, are these ok.
     
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    Yes as pointed out above the throw is the distance between the front of the projector lens to the screen.

    I sit 8-9ft from my 100" diagonal screen and with 1080p material (bluray/hddvd) it is fine.If viewing regular dvd (which I don't) the image will be soft at this size.

    Your 84" diagonal will look perfectly fine.Regards screen colour a grey screen works best in light coloured rooms so a white or a grey will be ok even though you have dark red walls.A grey screen will help with the blacks by improving the contrast levels.

    If I were you get the pj first and then point it at the wall and make an image 84" diagonal and sit at 8-9ft and see what you think,you may even want to go to 92".
     
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    I think Im all set. Gonna order everything up over the weekend,

    Thanks for everything I really appreciate it.

    One last thing : p can you recommend a good bluray player with 5.1 surround upto £300 to go with the set up.

    Thanks
     
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    You have a PS3 use that for the bluray player, so what about amp and speakers (is that what you were asking about).

    You will struggle to get an amp and 5.1 speaker set up for £300.

    But a Onkyo amp around £180 with 3 pairs of Wharefdale diamond 9.0
    http://www.froogle.richersounds.com/product/bookshelf-speakers/wharfedale/diamond-9.0/whar-9.0-blk

    http://www.froogle.richersounds.com/product/av-receivers/onkyo/txsr309/onky-txsr309-blk

    You can get a subwoofer a bit later for £160 approx

    http://www.superfi.co.uk/p-3656-wha...froogle&utm_medium=organic&utm_source=froogle
     
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    Sorry I sold the PS3 a few weeks back so dont know why I wrote that.

    If I bought a bluray player would I still need an amp?

    Jesus I didnt want speakers like that lol.

    I was looking at these blu ray packages that come with 5 speakers and a sub woofer totaling 1100 watts.

    Is 1100 watts alot for surround sound?
     
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    Yes you will need an amp and speakers but you could always start with just a pair of speakers and an a/v amp and buy the extra speakers and sub as funds become available.

    I would still get a PS3 though as for £200 approx it is as good as any available at that sort of money.

    You could get a second hand amp for around £100, check out the Onkyo 605 or 606 they were a £400 amp when new but go for £100 or even less on teh classifieds.

    Those Diamond 9.0 from Richers are a steal though and you will need to spend £80-100 a pair to get something else better.
     
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    I have a local Richer Sounds to me in maidstone so may pop down there.

    They said they price beat also so may get the projector there for pc world price.

    I may pick up a PS3 again if they are just as good as Ill have the bonus of Uncharted 3 : )

    Well thanks for everything. Will get some pics up when all sorted.

    Just to clarify if I purchased this for example
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-HT-...5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1326403774&sr=1-5

    I would still need an amp and the speakers wouldnt be that fantastic?

    I also need MKV's that would need playing which Im certain the PS3 doesnt support
     
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    Those all in ones are not much cop you are far better with a proper amp and speakers.It will cost a couple of hundred more but far better in the end.

    I don't know about the mkv's as I only play bluray through my kit.

    I stick to mkv from my pc on my 24" widescreen monitor.

    Going out for a few beers now so don't expect any coherent answers till tomorrow.:D
     
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    Lol ok mate, Im gonna have a mooch around the net at some seakers etc,

    Thanks
     
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    hi i jsut bought 1 for my 360 pc and wii so i can help you want as its taken me 3 weeks to set it all up lol
     
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    Hi mate, What did you buy?
     
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    hello i bought the awesome 200x!!! at £600 from tesco. It cost me another £400 in audio and cables and setup though...im having alot of problems finding a decent cable supplier who isnt selling rubbish though :?
    id rec. the 200x 4 gaming 100% and for films it is awesome though u need to sort out your cables if u want it all tidly like lol i.e in the ceiling mounted, 10m cables to av stack with consoles / pc all into an amp then into the pj MAGIC!
     
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    Sounds sweet! Cant wait to get mine going. What have you got for audio?
     
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    kbfern said:
    "You could buy used for around £100 and get something like an Onkyo 605 or 606 or as suggested further up the thread by Batman2 a new RXV371 for £179.

    Then get a pair of half decent speakers rather than your pc ones and build up to a 5.1 set later as funds allow.The wharfedale diamonds are a steal at £50 a pair if you can stretch to it get 2 pairs.1 set for the front L&R and a pair for the surrounds.

    Wharfedale DIAMOND 9.0 Black | Speakers Per Pair | Richer Sounds

    So a second hand amp and new 4.0 speaker set for £200 or new for £270 so your choice.Either of those options would give you a decent quality proper sound setup at a real budget price. "

    SO O plan to get the Yamaha RX-V371 5 channel AV Receiver - Black: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics
    with some speakers. I made a 5ft high stack holder for consoles, audio pc etc. then am running cables from it to all then 1or2 through the roof to the pj so looks neat! but having real problems finding a cable supplier i can trust and which cable to buy as my current pc-pj dvi-hdmi wont support native res. of pj!! :?
     
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    The problem I have is I have no floor space for big speakers. Thats why I was looking at these bluray players with surround sound packages as the speakers are quite small and can be put on the wall.

    The guy (or girl) helping me may be able to point you in the right direction for the correct HDMI cable.
     
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    i have no space either so ill be buying tiny satelites or maybe flat speakers which look like picture frames on the wall be nice
     
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    The picture frame speakers sound awesome.

    So If I buy a receiver can I plug my xbox360 into it and my bluray player to inputs then the output to the projector?

    Also could I use a splitter on the xbox so I can switch between it going to the reciever and to my tv?

    Finally have the shopping list complete.

    Projector - Optoma HD20
    A/V Receiver - Onkyo TXSR309 or Sony STRDH510
    Speakers - Pioneer SHS100 or Yamaha NSP40
    Bluray Source PS3 or Pioneer BDP430
    Screen - Brand Unknown, Grey Matte Viewing size 84"

    Its only for a mid size front room plus I have a Little girl who is asleep at the only time we can watch movies so it will never be pumping loud.
     
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    The list looks ok till you come to the speakers, you will have a decent a/v amp but it will be severely limited by the speakers.

    Please consider either getting some better speakers or you may as well buy a cheaper amp.I know you want small and you may not drive them to high levels but there are better speakers out there more suitable.

    Tannoy SFX 5.1 Surround Speaker System - Discontinued Products - Audiovisual Online - Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

    The Tannoy would be a much better option they are discontinued but still available if you look around Richers and Amazon have some and you may find them cheaper than £199.
     
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    If speakers are a problem you could always get a surroundbar. It gives pseudo surround sound ideal for small to mid sized rooms from one location by bouncing sound off the walls. With space and kids it might be a better option than an amp and 6 separate speakers?
     
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    WOW thats is some piece of kit, never even knew they existed lol
    thanks! (not sure if its for me though :)
     
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    Ive never heard of a sound bar lol. Sounds pretty crazy bouncing off the walls lol.

    I think Ill drop the PS3 and spend a bit more on speakers : )
     

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