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Discussion in 'Plasma TVs' started by tomonhere, Aug 9, 2004.

  1. tomonhere

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    Hi guys. I’ve just got one of these and I’ve got to say I’m really disappointed. It was a good price (just over £2000) but the picture is really poor. Is this all plasmas or just the Hitachi? I get loads of funny colour faces and blurring and even the manual is wrong. It says you can adjust the picture via some menus but when you try they aren’t there! Even if I connect my xbox the picture is slightly fuzzy. An as for the colours! I have digi cable but that’s crap too. Help, do I send it back (as I’m still within my 7 days) or can it be set up better???

    Many thanks,

    Tom.
     
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    My advice ? try the search function

    try this - my set now looks gorgeous - just watched Kill Bill and never seen an image so good and even TV viewing is top notch
     
  3. tomonhere

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    Yep just tried all that and it looks a bit better but still not A grade.

    Is this TV HDTV ready?? Some sites say yes but I can't find anything in the manual that says it is?

    Thanks again.
     
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    tom...where did you buy it from? You might think you can return it within seven days, and by law you can. Some evil retailers though seem to think that you can only return it if it's faulty, and even then they will tell you it ain't faulty. They will then try to charge you for re-stocking the item.
    I hope you didn't get it from the same place I got mine.

    See my thread on here 'lip sync problem with Hitachi'

    Good luck
     
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    search for Alis and see what you think.
     
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    Unfortunately you wont get rid of the blurry and funny coloured faces completly as that's partly due to the (by today's standards) rather ordinary 256 levels of grey scale processing that results in 16 million colours and noticable solarisation.
    Today's best panels (and Hitachi's next generation plasma) have 1024 shades of grey processing which gives over a billion colours.

    I found this out the hard way - if I had the option I would have returned mine but now I have to live with it...

    There are other contributors to this problem too - make sure you feed the panel the best possible source thorugh decent cables - that should minimise it. Also the Hitachi's out of the factory need some tweaking to get the best out of them.
    Properly set up and with minimum movement in the picture they *can* produce some spectacular images. It seems to me that the processing can't cope with fast image movement.
     
  7. tomonhere

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    Wow thanks for the quick answers guys. OK well 24/7 electrical was the retailer and as for sending it back, I rang them today and they seemed more thn ok with the idea it may come back. But I won't know for sure until I try. How ever anything brought from the net is covered by law and is not open to negotiation. (i.e. you can return it with in 7 days if you don’t like it).

    I will buy some new (better) leads tomorrow. I'll use a scart for sky but am I better off getting a new RGB connecter for my xbox?
     
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    AngryofMayfair, you seem to know about next gen Hitachi plasma's - what information d'you have, and/or where can I find information about 'em? I've recently asked a couple retailers about Hitachi and both said they didn't know about any new Hitachi plasma on the horizon... (while for Fujitsu it's a different story).

    TIA,

    EDIT: well, guess I had to search beyond Hitachi Europe sites to find this: :rolleyes:
    http://www.hitachi.us/tv/browse/plasma/plasma/42hdt51.shtml

    42HDT51 - new line of 1024x1024 42" plasma, dual HDMI, dual Firewire, 12-bit processing for 1.07 billion colours (there you go! :clap: ) etc...

    As for Europe, we're still talking PD5xxx series at this point... Anyone knows for sure if and when the new series should show up over here...?
     
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    Those are the ones - already out in the US but my guess it will be a few more months before we see them in Europe/Australia :-(
     
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    90% of the 'I'm not happy with my plasma' type threads are Hitachi related. My advice, sorry Hitachi owners, is to get rid of it pronto, while you still have time. Go and look at a few screens in a proper shop, don't get so cheap on yourself, decent advice is worth paying for. I know I would say that, but I'm certain that all users here will say the same.
     
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    Hello peezee

    Why so excited about the NEW Hitachi models!

    Yet again a 1080i Display and yet again Hitachi's advertising department have created a NEW super duper campaign to tell us all they have a chip set that converts Standard Definition Interlaced (and Progressive) video signals into a Virtual 1080 Progressive signal.

    What they gloss over is how that 1080 Progressive signal then gets converted back to an Interlaced signal - if they use the same chip set they used on previous generation displays it will still be pretty poor.

    And I love the bit in the Technology Overview where it says 'some' Fixed Panel 768 Displays aren't an exact match for 720P or 1080i/P - I would have thought no 768 Display was an exact match for 720P or 1080i/P; and I would also have thought no 1080i Display was an exact match for 720P!

    See http://www.hitachi.us/tv/discover/techadv/tech_ad_plas02.shtml
    Potentially then I'd say the Hitachi could be the best panel on the market for a native 1080i signal - after that its like the rest of the market and relies on heavy duty video processing to convert every input signal to match the native pixel count and clock speed of the display.

    Lets wait and see before everyone gets over excited about the next generation of Hitachi processing.

    Best regards

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    I have no solarisation or banding problems on my set at all

    Watched most of the footy this weekend and no problems - looked as good as it used to on my 32"crt set

    The only problems I do have are with Eastenders and a few other BBC programs - no idea why this is - if I watch the programs either side of eastenders things are fine with them - but once in Albert Square things become a bit different - its not terrible and only noticable if you know what to look for but it is there

    DVD picture is fantstic - no blurring, no smearing when watching Kill Bill 2 last night - colourful, bright and blur free picture. The worst DVD picture I have had is when watching ER Season 2 - which did show up some grain in the background - but again nothing that noticable
     
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    There is a shocking farmyard odour round that Hitachi splurb. Last time I looked they were 1024 high, not 1080. Sure enough, in the small print, it says that 94% of the picture is displayed. So what's happened to the rest of it? Thrown away I suspect, meaning that 94% of the picture is vertically stretched to fit the 16:9 format of the screen. Also of course, scaled down from 1920 to 1024 horizontally, deinterlaced, interlaced again, at least with NTSC the 30 fields per second shouldn't be a problem, like with PAL. Still it could be worse, when I started reading I thought it was going to say that 94% of pixels should work!!
     
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    I have a 42PD5300 and all looksgood, I get occasional solarization on Sky but mainly ok.

    I am happy with my Hit
     
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    Tom, I'm glad to hear your retailer seems OK with taking the set back. Mine did too, until I got a call yesterday to say they would charge me a 25% re-stocking fee.

    Like you, I know the law, but once the retailer has your money it is up to YOU to get it back. That means small claims courts etc etc. The law is there but no-one upholds it. Make sure they are prepared to give you a refund. I'm just trying to warn you. Sorry if it seems negative but that is my experience.
     
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    I required a 37" plasma.

    I compared an Hitachi with a Panasonic.

    I could see screen flicker on the Panasonic but not on the Hitachi.

    I chose the Hitachi.

    My main viewing is Sky football through digital cable - I have an excellent picture with no motion blur.

    There is a slight hum from the back of the panel.

    The screen is in the corner of the room so the swivel stand is very useful.

    Very happy so far.
     
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    Unfortunately (for consumers) retailers are legitimately allowed to charge a restocking fee, but only if they make this clear when you order (though it will no doubt be hidden in the small print somewhere). 25% on a £2K+ plasma sounds a little expensive though. :(

    I concur with MAW, get rid of the Hitachi and find something else.
     
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    I too have a 42DD5300. When I first got it I was gutted - though a very sharp picture - the funny plasticky looking faces drove me nuts - even on DVD's.
    Have now improved all the cables, and am part way to sorting the screen settings (just got DVE so will try that to perfect the picture>)

    I funnily enough still get the solarisation effect on faces particularly with coronation st or eastenders - dont know why these two are so bad? Dont care either cos I cant stand either!

    All in all, its a great looking set , and I am chuffed with it
     
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    Glad its not just be then - maybe we should get badges printed and form a proud owners club
     
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    Joe, I'm not sure why you think I'm "so excited" with the new Hitachi series, maybe the :clap: smiley? :D

    I know marketing bull.... when I see it, thank you. Yep, those 1080 lines get chopped to 1024, rest being discarded - so this "1080 screen" label on the Hitachi site actually IS b.s.

    On the other hand, not even 50" "classic" (non-ALiS) PDPs are able to display 1080i without downscaling, while the Hitachi's do (even down to the 37" screens) - granted, losing 56 lines in the process (most of which irrelevant in many cases, i.e. while viewing 2.35:1 movies; I know it, you know it).

    I have other issues with Hitachi panels, which I have expressed on this -and other- forum. A certain lack of details, bluriness, and posterization on moving objects (faces especially) are critical ones - to me. I'm not sure I've been able to see those screens in the best environment though...

    On the other hand, the new series comes with improved glass, improved processing (10-bit vs 8-bit) and improved connectivity (2 HMDI's, not sure that any other panel provides that).

    Therefore before condemning the new series of Hitachi PDP's as swiftly as some here seem to be doing, I've decided it's probably worth checking them out first...
     
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    Peezee, it's not the scaling, we're all used to that. Hitachi, if they are saying that it's a 1:1 pixel map vertically, and I think they are, junking 56 lines, the whole image then has to be vertically stretched to re-fit the 16:9 screen, as if you just chuck some lines away, rather than scale, the image left is no longer the correct aspect. Dumb or what?

    Elvis, I'd concur on 25% being a bit excessive, sharing the shipping costs might be more the mark, don't you think? Depending on why it's being rejected of course. If the customer has just gone off the idea, I'd be inclined to try this, if it's a 'fault' and I'd include undiscussed undesirable features in this, I would not charge. But then it's hardly ever a problem for me, as I hardly ever mail order screens.
     
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    Pretty sure Panny 7 series be able to support 2 HDMI inputs. ALIS is good for certain applications, Fujitsu HHA ALIS PANEL do a very very good job with interlaced component. Hitachi aren't as good.
     
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    Panny 6 can support 2 HDCP DVI inputs too, which is just the same for a plasma panel, with no sound.
     
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    So what is the best Plasma to get then??? The Pany?
     
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    Not necessarily, if you thought you'd like the Hitachi, a pioneer might be more to your taste, but go see some b4 parting with the cash this time. See them where you can be sure they are extracting at least close to the max from the screen, just like you will be. Whereabouts are you, someone will suggest an 'avforums approved' specialist.
     
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    Elvis...I disagree! Retailers are NOT allowed to charge a re-stocking fee. Distance selling regulations clearly state that an item can be returned, if communicated within 7 working days of receipt, and a full refund issued. It is the 'cooling-off' period. Distance selling regulations state nothing about this being void if the retailer states otherwise. I'm only repeating what I've heard from the horses mouth. Trading standards have told me this over the phone. They have catagorically stated that retailers frequently try to pull a fast one like this, and that it is simply against the law. My set was faulty anyway. The law states that within the first six months the retailer has to prove that the set wasn't faulty. I'd like to see them prove this beyond dispute without having to shell out on equipment way in excess of the 25% fee they want to charge me.

    Yes?
     
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    I live near to Shrewsbury. To be honest I just want a really clear picture. I'm very fussy :)
     
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    try creative audio in dogpole for a demo or two....leamspaceman: that only applies if it is distance sold. Not all retailers are internet/mail order!
     
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    When I talk about distance selling regulations I thought it would be obvious I was talking about something that was distance sold :suicide:

    My set was sold to me through an internet retailer, so obviously distance selling regs apply. Obviously I'm aware that this doesn't apply if you buy from a store you actually visit.

    Doh!!!
     
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    You're sort of right. The retailer can charge for the recovery of the item in question, but no more. 25% sounds a bit arbitrary to me, surely the costs would be fixed rather than being based on a percentage of the value. I'm on your side m8 :)
     

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