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Discussion in 'Home Cinema Speakers' started by Matt F, Aug 5, 2002.

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  1. Matt F

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    Eric, just a thought - you've talked about the M&K active monitors but at £1400 each they are way too expensive for many people.

    However, that got me thinking - what about some of the smaller two-way active monitors made by other manufacturers?

    Specifically, I was thinking of:
    ATC Active 10 - somewhere in the region of £1200 per pair
    Genelec HT206 - £700 each

    They seem to be pretty well thought of although I don't know if you've ever had a chance to listen to them yourself.

    Anyway, if a power buy could reduce these to somewhere in the region of £500 per speaker then I reckon a fair few people might be interested, especially when you think that for this money you are negating the need for a separate power amp and instead getting built in top quality bi-amplification, dedicated to the specific drive units within the speakers.

    Matt.
     
  2. uncle eric

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    Hi Matt,
    I know the Genelecs well and like them a lot (though not as much as the MK Pro series). I have never heard the ATC Active 10.

    I've just gone mad and ordered a front three set of MPS 2510P's. Help, I'm my own best customer :mad::D
    Still at least it shows belief in what I do.

    I'll take a look at your suggestions.

    Regards
    Eric
     
  3. Oxfordguy

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    The thing about the Genelecs is that they are true studio montors, This means they are very flat which isn't what the human ear wants to hear. The thing about these is they will recreate the sound exactly as it was recorded as these are the speakers that are used in the top studios.

    It might not be what you like to listen to, but it is very true.
     
  4. Matt F

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    But presumably the same is true of the M&K pro range that Eric has been championing?

    Also, I know that with the Genelec HT206, there are three treble settings:

    +2dB (used for mastering - too bright for general listening)
    -2dB (flatter and better balanced)
    -4dB (apparently preferable on some classical music recordings).

    There's a good review of the HT206 here:

    http://www.homecinemachoice.com/testbench/SpeakerPackages/Genelec/GenelecHT208.shtml

    Matt.
     
  5. uncle eric

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    Even more so with the M&K's as they have no compressors or limiters which means the mixer doesn't have to compensate for these traits.
    See my recent posts re "voiced speakers"

    Genelacs are nice but give me the MPS powered series anyday.
     
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    I hear what you are saying, but Lucas film would not use Genelecs, nor would many top London studios if they were coloured.

    The dip switches are there to compensate for room acoustics and for bass roll off when used with a sub. To get the best out of these babies you need to have the room measured and then have your genelecs adjusted using the WIN MLS system by the UK Distributors.

    I have heard these in action before and after optimisation and they are stunning. To the best of my knowledge, top studios do not use M&K. The choices tend to be Genelecs, Dyn Audio, Quested, HHB Circle series, Fostex, Hafler and Mackie.

    Like I say, the genelecs are not as pleasing to the ear, but the sound they give is true. Depends on what you like. Most people prefer the hi-fi sound non professional speakers give.
     
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    These must be Kebab shops
    then,

    20th Century Fox
    4 Media Company (4MC)
    5.1 Entertainment - Ken Caillat, Richard Daschutt, Gary Lux
    A&M Records
    Alan Meyerson
    American Gramaphone
    American Holly Studios
    Austin Power & Light
    Avi Kipper
    The Bakery
    Beijing Film Academy - China
    Ben Shultz
    Berke Sound
    Blowtorch Flats - Basil Pouledoris, Tim Boyle
    Bob Badami
    Brian Wilson - IL
    Broadcast Video - NY
    Broadway Video - NY
    Buena Vista Sound
    California Video Center
    Casablanca Film & Video - Toronto
    Chace Productions
    Ed Cherney
    Chicago Audio Works
    Chicago Recording Company
    Chicago Trax
    Chop-'em Out - UK
    Chuck Ainlay - TN
    Cinram-Pop DVD Center
    Complete Post
    Crescent Moon - FL
    Cyberella Studios
    Danish Radio
    David Newman
    David Rietzas
    David Tickle
    DB Sound - Harry Witz
    Digimix
    Digital Audio Post
    Digital Editing Company
    Digital Revolution
    Digital Sound & Vision- AUSTRALIA
    Digital Theater Systems (DTS)
    Dolby Labs- Los Angeles
    Dolby Labs- New York
    Dolby Labs- San Francisco
    DRIVE Entertainment
    Eastern Connecticut State
    Electric Switch - UK
    Electronic Arts - Vancouver
    Enterprise DVD and POST
    Entertainment Asylum
    Estudios Alvarado
    FCC ATSC (HDTV) COMMITTEE
    Fireside Productions
    Fotokem Film & Video
    Gateway Mastering - Bob Ludwig- ME
    Georgetown Mastering - Denny Purcell - TN
    Goodnight Dallas Studio - TX
    Goodnight LA Studio
    Harry Harris
    HBO Studio Productions - NY
    HD Vision - TX
    Highway One Media Entertainment - Ken Caillat
    Hit Factory - NY
    IVC
    Jacaranda Studios
    JAK Productions “The Phantom Menace”
    Jerry Bruckheimer Entertainment
    Kalimba Studios / Magnet Vision
    Laser Pacific
    Masterphonics / The Tracking Room - TN
    Michael Kross
    Millennium Productions - FL
    Monterey Post
    Motorola DSP Digital Audio Labs
    Music Mill - Todd Culross - TN
    NARAS
    National Semiconductor
    Northern Great Lakes Center - WI
    Ocean Entertainment
    OHenry's
    Orchestrada Audio
    Origin Systems - TX
    Pacific Ocean Post
    Paramount Studios
    Pat Leonard
    Paul Linford
    Paul Klingberg
    Paul Vitello Productions
    Photomag - NY
    Pioneer Video Manufacturing
    POST Audio - MN
    PostModern
    Rain Media
    Rick Dees
    River Studios - NY
    Robert Margouleff
    Roger Nichols - FL
    Saban Entertainment
    SALT Productions - CO
    Santa Monica College
    Skip Saylor Sound
    Scream Studios - Randy Alpert
    Seventeen Grand Recording - TN
    Skywalker Sound
    Snuffy Walden
    Sonic Jungle
    SONY Electronics NY
    SONY Music - NY
    SONY Pictures Entertainment
    Soundeluxe
    Sound Hound - NY
    SSI
    The STAPLES Center
    Steve Kempster
    Sync Sound - NY
    The Bakery
    The Complex Studios
    The Tape House - NY
    THX Division, Lucasfilm, LTD
    TODD AO West
    Todd Rundgren
    TR Enterprises - Trevor Rabin
    Universal Studios
    University of Southern California
    VDI Media
    VidFilm
    Village Recorders
    Visual Music & Sound - MN
    Walt Disney Pictures and Television
    Walter Afanasieff
    Warner Brothers Studios - Will Kaplan
    West Grand Media
    John Whynot
    WFAA Television
    Wally World - Walter Afanasieff
    World Link Digital
    Yamaguchi Studios, Ltd
    YES - Tim Weidner
    :eek: :eek: :D
     
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    Correct, true monitors should be "unflavoured"
    See my post from some time back


     
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    Look, what I am saying is that Genelecs are widely acknowledged as the number one professional choice. I work in the Music Industry and find that I get told this all of the time.

    I'm not saying M&K aren't good, just that Genelecs are flatter and used in more pro studios. have a look at www.genelec.com and you can have a studio tour if you are that interested.

    Personally i prefer the sound of my Technics THX speakers for home cinema than Genelecs, but I wouldn't use them ina studio because they are coloured. The HT206 speakers are 1030's in the pro world and these are used extensively.

    Personal opinion is just that, personal. I happen to know that Sony UK also use Genelecs, and chances are they have purchased just about every model of speaker going at one time or another. Give a music professional dealer such as Media tools or Digital village a call and ask what they recommend.

    If you like M&K, then thats great. Speaker choice is mainly personal opinion, but the rest is down to how configurable a speaker is to make its response flat. Genelecs score highly on this from their dip switches and professional measuring service.

    Thats my thoughts on the matter.
     
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    Oh, one thing worth a mention is that Genelec have just released a new Pro series subwoofer. The 7060 is a LSE (laminar spiral enclosure) subwoofer with bass management.

    The new 6.1 bass management takes a lot of the guess work out of getting the cross overs right. The LSE part means that it delivers a lot more punch than the previous subs as the surface area is greatly increased.

    I doubt this unit will make it over to the consumer range of HT series, but its a good match to the HT205's, which IMHO sound unbelievable. Their output is outstanding for such a small speaker.

    i know these would be under your £500 per speaker budget.
     
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    Having said all that, (from my above post) there is no such thing as the perfect speaker or indeed perfect neutrality. On that basis, I feel the Genelacs are too "shrill" and are in fact a little harder and harsher near their top end frequencies. Hence my preference for the MPS range which are superb throughout their frequency range.

    Just my opinion of course :cool:

    Eric
     
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    I think it's a mistake to think any loudspeaker is truly neutral. You only have to look at the rollercoaster impedance and frequency response curves of even the very best monitors to realise that these are not uncoloured devices.

    Possibly full range electrostatics stand the best chance of being truly neutral as they tend to suffer less from crossover effects and enclosure resonances etc. But in the studio, the space that these would require would be impractical.

    Studio preferences may be determined as much by convenience as any claims of superior neutrality. ;)
     
  14. Stuart Wright

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    Lets keep speaker discussion in the speaker hardware forum, shall we? And leave this (the Power Buy Forum) for Power buys?
     
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    Oops, sorry Spectre. I don't always see the Forum name when picking a thread up via New Posts and the discussion was already off and running. Still it's an interesting discussion - any chance you could copy/move the offending posts into Speakers & Subwoofers forum? :rolleyes:
     
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