Acoustically Transparent Screen Material

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  1. lennox

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    I got some samples of acoustically transparent screen material from a Norwegian manufacturer (Dreamscreen.no). Has anyone seen / got a screen with this material? They currently sell a v5 and v6 iteration of this product. I got samples of both - images attached.

    I currently have SeymourAV Center Stage XD material which is great, although from my viewing distance does unfortunately have some weave visible. To be fair I knew before I got this screen that this would be the case, I just didn't think it would bother me. To be honest it hasn't been a huge problem. It is visible on brighter images with uniform colour though.

    As far as visible weave is concerned, the v5 has no visible weave from 5 ft or so back. The v6 has no visible weave from even a couple of feet back. Quite promising.
     

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    Is this the same stuff they've just started selling over on avs? The name and pricing sounds the same. You could always ask over there as they may have some people already using it.
     
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    AV Science are the US distributor yeah. I saw the thread on AVS yeah but thought I'd see if anyone this side of the pond had any experience with the materials.
     
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    Mate try filmex from epic home cinema. Cheap as chips and you won't see any weave. See my signature for more info.
     
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    I did read up a bit on filmex (including your own thread) but I've not seen in person. I'll get a sample if I can. I was concerned it may be a bit fine and catch / rip on my aluminium profiles frame.

    In terms of sharpness / clarity, how would you say filmex compares to a solid matte white screen? Is there any sheen / sparkle? Did you put a black layer behind the 2 filmex layers?

    I'm getting a sample of Seymour AV Centrestage UF material too to see if visible weave is less than the XD at my viewing distance (8 to 9 feet).
     
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    I had samples of the Seymour UF - you will be ok with that. I went with the XD at 12' though.
     
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    Put one black layer then x2 filmex. Just swapped pj to a 4k model (faux 4k) and ithe screens even better. There are no sparkles or sheen. Where abouts are you in the UK? Considering its very low price you'd be silly to not at least consider it. Think what other areas of your HC you could improve with the money saved.
     
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    Any idea how that may affect the sound? I can't decide if I should try white over black or white over white. The latest combo (will probably change again as it seems to be constantly evolving over on avs) seems to be white over black so will be dimmer than white over white, though possibly sharper - each layer of white sends an image from a different plane because the two layers aren't always completely flat together, so that's why it can be softer sometimes. White over black can be sharper but less reflective.

    I guess the best way would be to make small screens of each combo and try it.
     
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    Not got any measuring equipment out Gary but to my ears and eyes it looks and sounds spectacular. Think you need at least one layer of black to prevent the image going through the white and bouncing of the rear wall. Believe some have just used white with good effect so down to personal preference I guess. Either way for bang per buck nothing comes close.
     
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    White over black seems to get the most recommendation at the moment yeah.

    TR what did you use for the black layer? Mapin speaker cloth was what I used last time, but not sure if filmex/spandex needs something of similar texture to the front layer.
     
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    What's the gain on Filmex material?
     
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    Just black spandex, works fine.
     
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    That's good to hear as I'll be around if not more than 12' myself.

    I can't figure a way to have a fixed screen as its a living room set up. I'm usually pretty good at thinking laterally too but an electric AT screen seems the only viable option. Otherwise I would have tried Filmex too. I think the gain is around 1.0 which is more than most AT screens, about the same as the XD.
     
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    I only saw the weave once while watching a movie, it was during a very white sky scene. I never noticed it again, despite thinking, once seen, i might always be able to see it. But films are pretty engrossing, so no worries.

    I took the advice from Seymour, ref the angle of the cut, and I think that must help. Obviously costs slightly more this way.
     
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    You've probably already thought of this, but how about some curtains that match the wall, or something with pictures on that will cover the screen when it's not in use? Or a recessed screen with a sliding cover(s) from top/bottom or either side?
     
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    From 12 ft the weave won't be visible no. I went with the 20 degree angled cut too which helped.
    At my viewing distance though (8-9ft) noticing the weave, however infrequently, is enough to have me reconsidering the material now that I'm redoing the screen anyway.

    @KelvinS1965 - If I do decide to change material I'll have 106" by 62" of XD material up for grabs if you are looking for some.
     
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    That last suggestion is the nearest to what I've thought might work. The problem is the TV has to move out of the way. The only way is down and this means the screen bottom can't be any lower thAn the top of the TV when it reaches the floor. I think my current one is 65cm high but I may like a bigger OLED eventually.

    Also the TV screen ends up in the bottom black bar so will light up to some degree.
     
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    I use a large throw of similar colour to the wallpaper over a fixed screen which works well. Depends on the rest of the room though I guess whether it fits in ok.
     
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    Thanks but I'm after a bigger size than that on a drop down screen. I'm going for around 3 metres width 2.40:1.
     
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    Can you make the tv tip forward to be flat, and then slide back into the wall underneath the screen, a bit like Scott sliding down to Thunderbird Two? :D
     
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    Ok no worries :)
     
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    I remember one guy had a Roman blind in front of his screen. That doesn't get over the tv problem though. Thunderbird Three could work too maybe (drop into the floor and replace with sofa) :D
     
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    Kelvin think you need a man cave at the bottom of your garden ;):D
     
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    If I get that RS2000 restored and sold I will have a man cave. but it will be my music room for my drum kit, etc so I'll still need to sort out the screen in the living room.
     
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    Not quite this but I've had a thought about the bit of wall the TV is on and make it fold forwards like a pick up truck back door. The inside could be Devore lined too.

    I would be able to do decent side masking too and maybe use my TV lift to raise or lower a bottom masking bar. Then I could do CIH plus iMax.

    Might need to convince the OH but she's usually pretty good about my AV ideas if I do a neat enough job.

    That would cover a bit part of my MP300 cost too with the saving of using a Filmex screen. :)
     
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    Like it :)

    Sounds like a done deal already!
     
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    I'm sure if you can integrate Lounge/Projector, a Drum kit/guitar/Cinema would be a piece of cake. Get that car moved on....
     
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    Except any savings will likely be used to upgrade my AVR or buy more subs, since the MKs are paid for. It never ends. ;) :).
     
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    I know what you mean. I'm lucky though, I live in a shoe box and had gravel for tea, so less expenses to worry about :)
     
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    Luxury. I haven't even had my tea yet. ;) pre dinner wine is going well though. :)
     

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