I blame you lot of masochistic Ba$£%ds, and here's why........ Friday dawned a perfectly ordinary day, lots to do at work, but still managed to pick up a new soundcard. (Why ? because my sound system is Prologic and I wanted a card which would pass SPDIF for a forthcoming upgrade to DD. ) While I'm making up my mind what audio kit to get, Kramer proposed to lend me his Logitech Z*** powered sub & sats. outfit, to get an impression whether s & s in comparison to full range speakers. Kramer and Vexorg were due for a visit to my gaff on Friday evening, Chinese, beer, coffee, a natter and maybe a bit of movie watching. Fine. Typhoon Acoustic 6 card got, Cmedia 8378 chip based, with spdif in and out in coax and optical. Snazzy looking piece of kit, comes with all the gubbins. The boys arrived, we eat, have a yack, and go about installing the card into my perfectly running hcpc. Would it load the drivers ? Would it buggery !!! A couple of hours, during which the card was in and out of the pc like a fiddlers elbow, checking stuff in the bios, all to no avail. The other two were a phenominal help during this trauma - "XP Pro Service Pack 1, thats what you need - never had a proble recognising drivers....." sage advice offered from the safety of the couch, while yet another fistful of hair landed on the carpet. Of course you know where said software was safely residing, don't you...... yip, Kramers gaff - on the other side of the country. Eventually called a halt. This morning, drove wife and daughter into town, went home and reinstalled every thing from scratch, back to win98. Drivers for new soundcard install as expected. Spent further 2 hours unpacking sub and sats and wiring them into my movie room. Fire up pc with coax out to ss system, set DD in powerdvd, set spdif in soundcard control, and.............................. The bas(*$rd wouldn't work. After some serious fun and games fecking around uninstallng and reinstalling dvdplayers (windvd4 and powerdvd) eventually figured out that the spdif out on the card will only pass a stereo signal in spdif !!!! Foly Huck !!!!! I nearly screamed. And when I then discovered that powerdvd (nicest picture) had developed a serious stutter (more like a 3 second halt every 2 seconds) I really did scream! Apparantly it didn't like the soundcard (by that time, I frankly hated the thing). OK. Uninstall software players. Uninstall soundcard drivers. Power down. Take out soundcard. Reboot - activating onboard sound in bios. load drivers for onboard sound. ( Did try out the sub & sats from my DVD player - seriously delicious sound, and quite a slam from a diminuitely sized sub - enough to feel through floor and couch !!! A baby window rattler, no doubt about it. Very well balanced sound, no lack of midrange, no sibilance from sats, gorgeous, in fact. And they're for sale in the hardware forum.............. Eagles Hell Freezes Over in DTS was completely smashing - very involving sound, and thea ctual balance of sound on the disk really showed how good the sub and sats were - perfectly soundstaged, no missing elements.) I'm back practically where I started (10 hr round trip since this morning). HCpc hooked back to my prologic system and I'm very glad to have it there. I think I'll take a little breather before messing with the kit again (or choose the next bleedin' soundcard more carefully). Funny thing is, when I fired up the DVD player (Svid through ProV), for the first minute oor two I thought " Mmmm thats ok....." and then began to notice loads of shortcomings in the image - pixel-perfect through AE100 really is the dogs danglies in picture quality terms, and its the fault of you lot that I couldn't really consider going back to DVD. I lurk here regularly, and am grateful for the tips and tricks I've picked up. Haven't really been able to offer any serious help to others in return, but maybe here's a health warning to the many new AE100 owners over on our LCD forum.......... If you want to try HCPC, by all means its the best picture you'll ever see...... but just when you think everything is fine, one tweak too many.... new soft/hardware, be prepared for fun and games !!!!!!! Now, has anyone got a reasonable recomendation for a simple soundcard guaranteed to pass dolby digital stream through an spdif output ?? All the best, you guys !!!! Sean G.