first of all to all the good people who contribute to this great forum for guiding me towards the 8g pioneer, and secondly to basher who rightly convinced me into a long drive to purchase his pioneer 4280xd, i cannot praise geoff highly enough one of englands last true gentelmen, thanks again geoff, i suppose i also aught to thank pioneer for making my plasma, stunning product even after 4 years of rivals trying to catch up.