a new dvd player with 1000 pounds to spend

Discussion in 'Blu-ray & DVD Players & Recorders' started by kid rock, Mar 6, 2004.

  1. kid rock

    kid rock
    Standard Member

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2003
    Messages:
    316
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    21
    Location:
    frankfurt germany and cardiff wales
    Ratings:
    +9
    My house suffered a major electrical surge recently and the piece of equipment that has died is my 4 year old Pioneer 737 as this was not protected by a suitable surge protector. I am gutted as this is beyond economic repair and I am forced to make an upgrade to a machine I really think is/was great with both my plasma and my pj an NEC Ht1000.

    I want to upgrade to a machine that is multi region and able to make the most of the DVI input on the NEC HT1000 and I want to spend circa 1000 pounds. While I am at it DVD audio would be worthwhile as I am interested in the format and looking at a machine that will last me 5 years. My Arcam avr200 is soon to be replaced by either the new Arcam avr300 or the Nad t773 as I want 7.1 and great stereo. Therefore I want a machine that will shine with these 2 av amps. So 1000 pounds, lasts 5 years, dvd audio and dvi, where does that take me ?

    Your views are very welcome as I am now using the dvd drive off a Toshiba Satellite 2430 201 laptop via s video and its making me cry.

    Thanks

    Kid Rock


    Nec ht1000, Nec plasmasync,silicon images i scan pro, Arcam avr 200,pioneer 737(DEAD!!!!),Mission cinema 773e 77ds 77c1,Mission m5ds on order, rotel rcd 991,B and W asw 675, Oehlbach, Chord and Nordost cables
     
  2. KraGorn

    KraGorn
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2003
    Messages:
    4,740
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    68
    Location:
    Warrington
    Ratings:
    +27
    About the only player I can think of that fits, ie. has digital video output, is the Pioneer 868 at present.

    Of course, no current machine will play back HD-DVD as it's being defined at present and as far as I know the final 'standard' won't be laid down for some time, so your hope for a 5-year life could be a little optimistic. ;)
     
  3. kid rock

    kid rock
    Standard Member

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2003
    Messages:
    316
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    21
    Location:
    frankfurt germany and cardiff wales
    Ratings:
    +9
    Kragorn thanks for the reply- the 868 has hdmi and not dvi I think- therefore how could I connect this to the NEC pj dvi input?

    I do like the idea of another Pioneer as the 737 was soooo good.

    ATB

    Kid Rock
     
  4. gandley

    gandley
    Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2003
    Messages:
    5,024
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    106
    Location:
    Paradise Lost
    Ratings:
    +269
    you can just buy a HDMI to DVI cable, or a HDMI/DVI adapter

    The 737 was good in its day but now seems quite poor. the 868i will give u a nice improvement over that
     
  5. KraGorn

    KraGorn
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2003
    Messages:
    4,740
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    68
    Location:
    Warrington
    Ratings:
    +27
    As Gandley says, the 868 will feed most DVI projectors and I've seen reports that it does so with the NEC .. my 868 is driving a Sharp Z200E which is also 'only' DVI.

    If you're at all concerned, get the retailer to confirm it will work.
     
  6. buns

    buns
    Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2001
    Messages:
    6,066
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    58
    Location:
    Belfast
    Ratings:
    +1
    why not just try and pick up a 2nd hand 747?

    ad
     
  7. gandley

    gandley
    Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2003
    Messages:
    5,024
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    106
    Location:
    Paradise Lost
    Ratings:
    +269
    Coz it dosent have DVI or HDMI, and suffers from cue and isnt as good as the 868i.
     
  8. a3rmk

    a3rmk
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2004
    Messages:
    225
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Location:
    Essex
    Ratings:
    +3
    I previously had a Toshiba SD900 which consistently blew more expensive players out of the water.
    I ended up buying the superb universal player, Marantz DV8400.
    Picture and sound about 20% better than the Tosh.
    Has the DVI-D output you need and looks pretty good too.
    RRP £1,400 but i saw it on 'unbeatable.co.uk' for £1,000.
    Never got into the Pioneer players much, they seem to bring a new model out every other month.
     
  9. gandley

    gandley
    Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2003
    Messages:
    5,024
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    106
    Location:
    Paradise Lost
    Ratings:
    +269
    8400 is a pioneer player at heart, its a clone of the 757 with bells and whistles, so is still effected with chroma bug
     
  10. a3rmk

    a3rmk
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2004
    Messages:
    225
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Location:
    Essex
    Ratings:
    +3
    what's a chroma bug?
     
  11. a3rmk

    a3rmk
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2004
    Messages:
    225
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Location:
    Essex
    Ratings:
    +3
    what's a chroma bug?
     
  12. gandley

    gandley
    Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2003
    Messages:
    5,024
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    106
    Location:
    Paradise Lost
    Ratings:
    +269
  13. gmt steve

    gmt steve
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2002
    Messages:
    648
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Location:
    Manchester
    Ratings:
    +6
    http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=122686
     
  14. kid rock

    kid rock
    Standard Member

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2003
    Messages:
    316
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    21
    Location:
    frankfurt germany and cardiff wales
    Ratings:
    +9
  15. kid rock

    kid rock
    Standard Member

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2003
    Messages:
    316
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    21
    Location:
    frankfurt germany and cardiff wales
    Ratings:
    +9
    Been to the local dealer today who has allowed me to borrow a few machines following a hefty deposit !!!!

    Marantz 8400, Pioneer 868 and a Samsung ( albeit with dvi). So far i have tested the Samsung and its dreadful -poor sound, poorly built ,digital noise and without a class feel, why anyone buys this for this money is beyond me. The Marantz and the Pioneer I will look at tomorrow as they need to go back on Weds but my initial impressions are good. The Marantz in particular feels like a special machine - we will see approx 950 pounds or 1450 euros at my dealer here in Germany.

    Thanks to you all who bothered to reply.

    By the way does anyone know if Denon have a forthcoming- Dvi enabled machine I seem to recall reading about this somewhere.

    Kid Rock
     
  16. buns

    buns
    Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2001
    Messages:
    6,066
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    58
    Location:
    Belfast
    Ratings:
    +1
    I saw an iscan pro in the setup..... having a dvi player totally bypasses this.... hence my suggesting of another pioneer

    ad
     
  17. kid rock

    kid rock
    Standard Member

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2003
    Messages:
    316
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    21
    Location:
    frankfurt germany and cardiff wales
    Ratings:
    +9
    I have only got a Sky digibox and a Humax f1 Fox fta receiver connected to the I scan which is in turn connected to my plasma.The I scan is not used for the DVD and the pj at all .My pj has a Faroudja deinterlacer and the I scan is not as good IMHO.

    Cheers

    Kid Rock
     
  18. a3rmk

    a3rmk
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2004
    Messages:
    225
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Location:
    Essex
    Ratings:
    +3
    I must say that i have never noticed this chroma distortion from any of my players.
    Up until now i have always had Toshiba players running through component out which might explain why.
    Seeing as the Marantz is even sharper than the SD900 i thought i would have noticed this straight away, but there is nothing.
     
  19. gandley

    gandley
    Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2003
    Messages:
    5,024
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    106
    Location:
    Paradise Lost
    Ratings:
    +269
    the SD 900 is one of the worst i know to display chroma bug, even my 9500e has it, you sure you know what your lookin for

    depends if your running it through somthing that might have a chroma filter, such as any faroudja chipset or the iscan ultra
     
  20. kid rock

    kid rock
    Standard Member

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2003
    Messages:
    316
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    21
    Location:
    frankfurt germany and cardiff wales
    Ratings:
    +9
    i have finally reviewed both the Marantz 8400 and the Pioneer 868. My god what a tough choice but I have opted for the Pioneer. There is no doubt that the Marantz is the machine of choice for audiophiles as the sound of DVD audio is fantastic and certainly movie soundtracks sounded utterly superb. but the picture was not what I had hoped for -sure its good and far sharper than my old Pioneer 737 -but i didn´t feel it was that much of a leap forward.


    The 868 on the other hand has a fantastic picture- I mean the NEC ht1000 and it produce simply the most cinematic images I have seen except for the High End stuff (TAG, meridian and Barco) I have only looked at, at my local home cinema showrooms. Through the hdmi dvi cable the dealer lent me the picture was almost three dimensional , deep blacks, fantastic resolution, sharp. One great test disc scene, for me at least, is HEAT and within this Al Pacinos late night helicopter ride over L.A. This was so sharp on the Pioneer!!!! The cable is a 500 euro audioquest job though, but probably worth it. On the Audio side its not as smooth as the Marantz and to my ears sounded a bit brighter with DVD audio. However given the relative lack of resonable DVD audio discs at the moment this is not an issue for me as I will be an ocassional DVD audio listener.



    I have now ordered an 868 and the Audioquest cable , over budget as usual, but what the hell. Pity I can only get silver as the rest of my av stuff is black.


    ATB

    Kid Rock
     
  21. gandley

    gandley
    Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2003
    Messages:
    5,024
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    106
    Location:
    Paradise Lost
    Ratings:
    +269
    i take it that was an audioquest HDMI cable. i would of recommend u tried with the basic cable first as if it was HDMI then i doubt you would see any difference. Thats one of the highlights of HDMI. but if it wasnt i`ll shut up
     
  22. gizlaroc

    gizlaroc
    Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2001
    Messages:
    8,767
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    136
    Location:
    Norwich
    Ratings:
    +646
    Probably shouldn't say this now you have ordered, but for that money you could get a sdi dvd player (rp-82 panasonic chroma free) and a scaler with sdi input.
     
  23. friend

    friend
    Guest

    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    kid rock have you tried 868 over component ?
     
  24. kid rock

    kid rock
    Standard Member

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2003
    Messages:
    316
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    21
    Location:
    frankfurt germany and cardiff wales
    Ratings:
    +9
    Yes I did try it with component (My trusty 5 meter Oehlbach component cable) on both my pj and plasma and the HDMI connection for my money was much better- I do intend to connect the player to both the plasma and the pj- component to the plasma and the hdmi out to my pj. I will just alter the menus on the Pioneer as appropriate before i watch a film.

    ATB
    Kid Rock
     
  25. kid rock

    kid rock
    Standard Member

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2003
    Messages:
    316
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    21
    Location:
    frankfurt germany and cardiff wales
    Ratings:
    +9
    What performance differences would I have noticed compared to the 868?

    Kid Rock
     
  26. buns

    buns
    Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2001
    Messages:
    6,066
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    58
    Location:
    Belfast
    Ratings:
    +1
    I dont think you could have done a brand new sdi player/scaler for the money you had..... unless you built a scaler pc, i dont think you could do it. Even the cheapest sdi processor is going to be >£1000.

    However, what you would get would be advanced de-interlacing and scaling algorithms, additional flexibility, a degree of future proofing and no hdcp issues! Basically the sdi+processor solution should do all the good things that the hdmi player will, but it adds other inputs as well as better algorithms and chips.

    However, i think this solution really needs £2000 to do properly

    ad
     
  27. gizlaroc

    gizlaroc
    Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2001
    Messages:
    8,767
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    136
    Location:
    Norwich
    Ratings:
    +646
    Ah but he said that he had added a £500 hdmi cable to the £1000 dvd player bringing the total to £1500.
    Now my money would have been on a panny rp82 with sdi for £450 and then another $1500 on the new lumagen with sdi in and dvi and component out.
    Depends how important the dvd-a is to you.
    remember if you are overseas you are going to import from the states not the UK which changes prices just a bit.
     
  28. rscott4563

    rscott4563
    Standard Member

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2003
    Messages:
    1,051
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Location:
    Cumbria
    Ratings:
    +1
    KidRock, how long was that HDMI cable, if it was anything less than 10m why the hell would you want to spend $500Euro on one!! Surely with HDMI unlike many other cables, all cables have to meet a set specification to get HDMI certification, so why would one be worth that much money, unless of course we're talking really long distances, which may benefit from improved materials or construction (but still I'd be scepticle), but $500Euro, thats around half the price of your whole player!! :eek:

    Ryan
     
  29. buns

    buns
    Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2001
    Messages:
    6,066
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    58
    Location:
    Belfast
    Ratings:
    +1
    sorry, i missed the cable thing.

    Germany will have a lumager reseller also, so no need to import, their price will be more like our however, which is nearer £1500 (cos i have one ordered ;)). But it is getting close! Also dont forget with the cable already mentioned, you would still need to spend a big chunk on a good dvi cable is you had done the sdi/scaler option.

    gizlarolc, im not trying to be arguementative so apologies if it comes across that way! Im just trying to keep kid rock from thinking he could have afforded this solution! :D

    ad
     
  30. gizlaroc

    gizlaroc
    Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2001
    Messages:
    8,767
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    136
    Location:
    Norwich
    Ratings:
    +646
    Ad,

    I know you aren't trying to be argumentative mate, it was just the fact that he said he had sky going into a iscan, I thought that maybe he could get rid of that and add a lumagen improving not only dvd but also TV and any other source as well.

    And to be honest anyone who can afford €500 on a dvi cable can probably afford another couple of hundred on sdi scaler and player ;)

    I cant wait till the new Lumagens are released, sdi dvd, sdi sky, d-vhs transcoded, gamecube/ps2 progressive scaled to 720p :) to me it looks like the best product released in years. But april or may! thats years away :( :)


    edit: forgot to say that being an analogue/crt boy I don't understand dvi, I thought it was a digital format? I have yet to hear/see a difference between digital cables, and after I spent £200 on an audioquest digital cable 5 years ago and could not tell the difference between it and my home made one (satellite coax and canare rca plugs) I put my money into other things.
    Once my system relly can't be bettered I may spend money on things like that again, but that will probably be never
     

Share This Page

Loading...