FutureShark
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Just shows the power of this film that still 50 years since release it's still causing debate and argument.
Just shows the power of this film that still 50 years since release it's still causing debate and argument.
I watched all the extras on the BD last night... all three are pretty much identical and not anything we haven't seen before - just loads of clips with people talking about the film.
It's a shame that they didn't really bother much with shooting any "making of extras" back then. Makes sense though, no point shooting DVD extras for a format that hadn't been invented yet
I know there are some outstanding exceptions to this where film makers have documented the shoot (including The Shining of course) ... I just wish this had been one.
One really interesting point though (and relevant to the discussion above) is that the film misses out the ending of the book where Alex makes a life-changing choice.
Nobody put the onus on women though, we're all very familiar with the film, a very long time has passed and he shouldn't need to box tick his review to pander to those looking to be offended.it's previously been cited as a major influence by men that have been convicted for committing rape, yes they had a problem, but that is the whole point.
i'm just saying that the phrasing of the single line comment to not say it was controversial because there was an extended rape scene, but to remove that is part of the problem in putting the onus on women, rather than educating male behaviour, which we should be focussing on
well mr passive aggressive, convicted rapists have said that her reaction in this particular scene was a contributing factorAs I said, no one watches this and then decides to rape someone or be violent. Those perpetrating such crimes were in a mind to do so prior to ever hearing of or seeing this film. It is just another case of "the dog told me to do it" excuse if they say otherwise.
There's also one hell of a lot of bullsh*t surrounding this film eminating from the press reaction to it when first released. They too were blaming it for every concievable crime that followed. Did the crime rate actually suddenly rise after the launch of this film, were there more crimes commited against women? No.
If you want to be finite about it, no rapes were in fact depicted in the film. Violence towards both men and women yes, but the physical act of rape was not actually shown.
If you watch something or read anything that explores morality and then decide to go be immoral then you had that thought in you to begin with. Anyone who suggesting the film alone inspired them to act in such a way is a liar or looking for an excuse for their behaviour. Most people know what they are seeing isn't aceptable and that what this film depicts is not reality, the whole pretence of the film is based upon the principal that what you were watching was not normal.
Are you saying that everyone who watches this is or will become a rapist? Why are you so eager to edit out the violence towards women and not bothered about violence expressed towards other sections of society such as vagrants?
Yes, rape is wrong, but editing this film will not prevent it from happening. If what you say is so disturbing then I don't really think you should be watching the film at all?
But now you're changing what you're saying, you said you wanted the opening of the review edited in light of recent events, you haven't yet said what those events were.well mr passive aggressive, convicted rapists have said that her reaction in this particular scene was a contributing factor
obviously you are wrong to begin with if you do this (& this is why we need to better educate & put the onus on men), but there are steps that push you over the edge
you are all getting what i am saying wrong, some people aren't even talking about the correct film
all i am saying is that the one line quote should have said contained a controversial (extended) rape scene, rather than its throwaway did she enjoy it or not mention.
simple language that puts the onus on where the blame in this sort of offence should lie, at the feet of the man & its about time that we used correct language when we looked at this issue rather than victim blaming, small steps that will lead to better educating men out there.
the resistance to that simple premise should be surprising to me, but...
and that's me done on the subject.
????well mr passive aggressive,
My advice to you would be to not watch Irreversible. Ever.well mr passive aggressive, convicted rapists have said that her reaction in this particular scene was a contributing factor
obviously you are wrong to begin with if you do this (& this is why we need to better educate & put the onus on men), but there are steps that push you over the edge
you are all getting what i am saying wrong, some people aren't even talking about the correct film
all i am saying is that the one line quote should have said contained a controversial (extended) rape scene, rather than its throwaway did she enjoy it or not mention.
simple language that puts the onus on where the blame in this sort of offence should lie, at the feet of the man & its about time that we used correct language when we looked at this issue rather than victim blaming, small steps that will lead to better educating men out there.
the resistance to that simple premise should be surprising to me, but...
and that's me done on the subject.
That's fair, it just winds me up.This is a thread to discuss the 4K release of A Clockwork Orange which seems like its getting derailed. Any chance of getting back on topic?!
I'll be watching this tonight, can't wait... an all time favourite.
As noted, not an easy watch at times, but superb film-making.
My advice to you would be to not watch Irreversible. Ever.
you are missing the point
as this is a different thing will reply
i've seen it
you are missing the point
It is the exact same soundtrack.
Easiest and laziest defence tactic ever. "A film made me do it m'Lud!"it's previously been cited as a major influence by men that have been convicted for committing rape...
And of course long time forum members will have learned by now to completely ignore anything that this member has to say about technical specifications or picture quality on disc releases.Great film but very indifferent 4k bluray transfer.
If you've already got the bluray then don't waste your money on the 4k bluray.
Is it really worth upgrading from the bluray version?
Yes, it's a much better transfer than the previous BD. Original mono track is great too.Is it really worth upgrading from the bluray version?